From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mo4bd-0000Oi-LX for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:12:13 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 050E5E077D; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-relay2.uniserve.ca (smtp-relay2i.uniserve.ca [216.113.194.207]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0115E077D for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ip-172.58.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net ([216.99.58.172] helo=ca.inter.net) by smtp-relay2.uniserve.ca with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mo4ba-0001EF-6o for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:12:11 -0700 Received: by ca.inter.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:12:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:12:09 -0400 From: Philip Webb To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query Message-ID: <20090917001209.GA7212@ca.inter.net> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20090916214440.GA4838@ca.inter.net> <200909170000.59133.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200909170000.59133.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Sender-Info: purslow@ca.inter.net X-Scanner: OK. Scanned. X-Uniserve-Spam-Score: 0.1 1 (/) X-Uniserve-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (0.1 points) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.1 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to trusted network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS X-Archives-Salt: d1bd4733-78a4-46bb-a3c2-7da382b2bcfb X-Archives-Hash: e53e5066dcc3454878d707fa20b5d464 090917 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Mittwoch 16 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: > > Faced with the KDE 4 steamroller rumbling & shuddering ever closer, > > I've been trying out the 4.3.1 versions of apps I frequently use. > > I have not installed the desktop management part of KDE, > > only the apps themselves & whatever deps they require: > > Fluxbox is my desktop manager of choice. > fluxbox is not a manager. It is merely a window manager. It manages my desktop much better than KDE 4.2.1 did ... > KDE can use all ICCCM adhering WM. How can "KDE use WM" ? -- your words make no sense in English. >> Konsole 4.3.1 -- very much dumbed down from 3.5.10 ; >> big problem: it seems impossible to predetermine window size; >> result: back to 3.5.10 & be prepared to use Xterm & Xfce's Terminal. > strange, every konsole window I open has the same size. Exactly: I want different sizes for different uses. Xterm does it, Terminal does it, Konsole 3.5.10 did it via command flags, but these have disappeared in Konsole 4.3.1 (try 'konsole --help'). > Also, do you have tried the geometry setting? right click on title, > window specific settings, create profil, put size into profile done. When I right-click on the titlebar, I get a Fluxbox list of options, none of which is "window-specific" nor relates to profil(e)s. Of course, I've tried editing profiles, but it has no effect on size; I also checked Google for 'resizing konsole' & similar. >> Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . > that is a joke, right? No, it's very serious: KDE 4 is jazzed up visually & dumbed down in options. Okular is as described when compared with Kpdf 3 . >> Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, >> but they are easily copied from ~/.kde3.5 , as are style sheets; > wrong. bookmark editor: 'File' 'import', 'import kde 3 bookmarks'. What is "bookmark editor" ? -- it's not a dependency of Konqueror 4 . My problem -- unlike other people's -- with your responses is that you are typically inaccurate both in content & in English. You are usually amusing, but I suspect that is not your intention. I am genuinely disappointed by KDE 4.3.1 , which I had hoped would be a real step forward given recent KDE PR announcements. Roughly 50 % options in KDE 3 have not been retained in KDE 4 & by now it's not simply that they haven't got around to implementing them: it's clear they don't intend to & are merely concentrating on eye-candy. It's utter madness, but with free software there are alternatives, which I have started to adopt (Fluxbox, Thunar, Terminal). Does anyone have useful comments, even "you can't do that any more" ? -- ========================,,============================================ SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca