[gentoo-user] running e2fsck pre-mount

[gentoo-user] running e2fsck pre-mount

[Maxim Wexler]

Hi group,

On an Asus netbook during boot after the line

*checking all filesystems

there'll be a message something like 'filesystem mounted 36 times
without being checked. Check forced' then something like '17.1%
non-contiguous' then a long delay. Then one of two things, either a
message saying 'errors fixed' or a forced reboot.

What does it mean 'without being checked' Does the boot process expect
a filesystem check, in this case e2fsck? Why should their be errors. I
shut the machine like this '#shutdown -h(or -r) now' Everything is
unmounted and the machine turns off without a glitch that I''m aware
of.

How can I run e2fsck on the drives *before* they are mounted, if that
is what is required here?

Maxim

Re: [gentoo-user] running e2fsck pre-mount

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 09 September 2009 04:37:49 Maxim Wexler wrote:
> Hi group,
> 
> On an Asus netbook during boot after the line
> 
> *checking all filesystems
> 
> there'll be a message something like 'filesystem mounted 36 times
> without being checked. Check forced' then something like '17.1%
> non-contiguous' then a long delay. Then one of two things, either a
> message saying 'errors fixed' or a forced reboot.
> 
> What does it mean 'without being checked' Does the boot process expect
> a filesystem check, in this case e2fsck? Why should their be errors. I
> shut the machine like this '#shutdown -h(or -r) now' Everything is
> unmounted and the machine turns off without a glitch that I''m aware
> of.
> 
> How can I run e2fsck on the drives *before* they are mounted, if that
> is what is required here?

It's a feature of ext2. It doesn't have much in the way of internal checks 
when being used to make sure that it's structure is consistent, so the default 
setting is to force a full fsck after every X mounts or after every Y days, 
which ever comes first.

You do not want to disable it. It is your safety net and the expected 
behaviour. It is working correctly as the fs is being checked before it is 
mounted.

Read the various man pages related to ext2 for more info.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] running e2fsck pre-mount

[Willie Wong]

On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 08:37:49PM -0600, Penguin Lover Maxim Wexler squawked:
> On an Asus netbook during boot after the line
> 
> *checking all filesystems
> 
> there'll be a message something like 'filesystem mounted 36 times
> without being checked. Check forced' then something like '17.1%
> non-contiguous' then a long delay. Then one of two things, either a
> message saying 'errors fixed' or a forced reboot.

A feature of mount and a feature of e2fs. First, from man 5 fstab

The  sixth field, (fs_passno), is used by the fsck(8) program to deter-
mine the order in which filesystem checks are done at reboot time.  The
root  filesystem  should  be specified with a fs_passno of 1, and other
filesystems should have a fs_passno of 2.  Filesystems within  a  drive
will  be checked sequentially, but filesystems on different drives will
be checked at the same time to utilize  parallelism  available  in  the
hardware.   If  the sixth field is not present or zero, a value of zero
is returned and fsck will assume that the filesystem does not  need  to
be checked.

Now you know what the last dangling number in /etc/fstab is for! For
most of my partitions, except the root one, I set it to 0. Mostly
because that my partitions are in ReiserFS. 

However, it is probably set to 0 in your case, otherwise the message
you saw wouldn't have happened. 

Next, if you look at man tune2fs, you'd see the option '-c', which
(just quoting the relevant parts)

Adjust the number of mounts after which the filesystem will be checked
by e2fsck. If [the number] is 0 or -1, the number of times the
filesystem is mounted will be disregarded by e2fsck. 

> 
> What does it mean 'without being checked' Does the boot process expect
> a filesystem check, in this case e2fsck? Why should their be errors. I
> shut the machine like this '#shutdown -h(or -r) now' Everything is
> unmounted and the machine turns off without a glitch that I''m aware
> of.

More from the manpage for tune2fs:

You should strongly consider the consequences of disabling
mount-count-dependent checking entirely. Bad disk drives, cables,
memory, and kernel bugs could all corrupt a filesystem without
makrking the filesystem dirty or in error. If you are using journaling
on your filesystem, your filesystem will never be marked dirty, so it
will not normally be checked. A filesystem error detected by the
kernel will still force an fsck on the next reboot, but it may already
be too late to prevent data loss at that point. 

Basically, since you don't ask the filesystems to be checked on every
boot, to make sure your fs's are sane, ext2/3 will ask the filesystems
to be checked every X mounts (also every T period of time, see the -i
option in tune2fs for details). Like the manpage said, sh*t happens,
and it is better that you check once in a while. 

However, if every single time when the fsck is run you either reboot
or there is an error... there maybe something wrong with your
hardware. If you don't have smartd installed, you should consider it,
your data on the harddrive should be worth your time. 


W
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Re: [gentoo-user] running e2fsck pre-mount

[Maxim Wexler]

> However, if every single time when the fsck is run you either reboot
> or there is an error... there maybe something wrong with your
> hardware. If you don't have smartd installed, you should consider it,
> your data on the harddrive should be worth your time.
>

IIRC the el cheapo ssd on this netbook is not smart-capable. Can't
remember where I read that.
I'll check again.

Thanks for the tips.

mw

Re: [gentoo-user] running e2fsck pre-mount

[Stroller]

On 9 Sep 2009, at 22:12, Maxim Wexler wrote:
> ...
> IIRC the el cheapo ssd on this netbook is not smart-capable. Can't
> remember where I read that.

I have this notion that SMART may not be a feature of SSDs or flash  
memory. I am happy ti be corrected on this.

Stroller.

[gentoo-user] Re: running e2fsck pre-mount

[Holger Hoffstaette]

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:58:06 +0100, Stroller wrote:

> 
> On 9 Sep 2009, at 22:12, Maxim Wexler wrote:
>> ...
>> IIRC the el cheapo ssd on this netbook is not smart-capable. Can't
>> remember where I read that.
> 
> I have this notion that SMART may not be a feature of SSDs or flash  
> memory. I am happy ti be corrected on this.

My Intel X25-M has SMART and shows sensible values, so it's probably just
missing from the cheap drives.

-h