From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mk4bZ-0004vN-PP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 23:23:38 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FB3DE0ACA; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 23:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F060E0ACA for ; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 23:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so1848840ewy.14 for ; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:23:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=QEo192/AhA5nrfLckODRD7UOHJsQ07mjJlGiM149AY4=; b=ZsU7IneKVt360olJJk/h6axIp2qxd5oUPBAEBG+ZIgJH/HFnfoEMuUy70x7BTwF0rk RU6E8aoYUvsOxZSIkoRXEv0eE7J1hu9hxIrIWE8b6Fib+qpnKaSuos1C2xyynJjgWsfb 9M0MBs7DHGvYzGpbKPCiMGYzpfpkoRQbDhyW4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=ZtAPKjxcbOBJ94YdvtTdp/BkoWaMWK1+rhAjSfEPq5FI9fJXeO2EXBiFEGlmH1sLHK yiBEgp5NOWitmEgqiDy9wklaTg31z+sAvIiQueid16etsmu4MEpa0x9wb18KuLVXKYCJ gSj1qC7Fb3bxKpn5RUvHOiZj9DXhCNEdL3g7U= Received: by 10.216.88.84 with SMTP id z62mr2397689wee.40.1252193015717; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from energy.localnet (energy.heim10.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.197.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i34sm6859734gve.9.2009.09.05.16.23.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:23:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kon Colivas is working again on a new scheduler for Desktop/Multimedia/Gaming PCs Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 01:23:32 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.1 (Linux/2.6.30.5r4; KDE/4.3.1; x86_64; ; ) References: <200909060048.40378.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <200909060106.52526.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200909060106.52526.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200909060123.32535.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 5cdf32c9-bef0-4a23-acd1-c44077635307 X-Archives-Hash: 31a13c3ae1710d259968a60bd4f96114 On Sonntag 06 September 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sunday 06 September 2009 00:48:40 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > Also, have you considered that you got it all backwards? The kernel > > > configuration tells you that for lower latencies, you should use 1000Hz > > > and PREEMPT. It even says "Desktop" right there. Why should I take > > > your word over that of the kernel devs who actually wrote that code? > > > > low latency means bad throughput and that hurts IO. > > The average desktop user on Linux needs low latency. To get that, one must > sacrifice some throughput efficiency. and then complain, that IO hurts? btw, I think, I am an average user, doing the average stuff, and I am pretty happy with 'voluntary preemption'. > > 1. server usage > 2. Massive bleeding edge desktop hardware that can give acceptable > performance regardless of what you throw at it. well, until 4 weeks ago a X2 6000.. not really bleeding edge. HD3870. That was bleeding edge 2 years ago.... > > have you considered that there is a large population of users whose needs > and workload are totally different from yours and therefore require > something completely different to you? yes, but I consider my workload average. Surfing the web, watching tv, watching movies with xine/vlc/mplayer. Listening to music with amarok and alsaplayer. Typing stuff. Sometimes skype. Burning a dvd once in a while. vegastrike, ut2004, if I want to play a game. See? Average. Now 32 sound streams in ardour (or whatever tool you use for that), that is hardly 'average'.