[gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Massimiliano Ziccardi]

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Hi all.

Reading http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml#kde_portage

I found the following sentence:

8x------
KDE 4 is the current KDE version supported by upstream.
8x------

However, if I try to install KDE 4.2, it says KDE 4.2 is masked...

Is it right? Do I have to unmask it to install KDE 4.2, even if it is the
current KDE version supported by upstream?

(I tried to follow the instruction and unmasking using the provided file,
but I met lot of other masked packages...)

Should I wait for KDE 4 to become unmasked?

Thank you,
Massimiliano

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[gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4 installation

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 08/28/2009 03:17 PM, Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Reading http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml#kde_portage
>
> I found the following sentence:
>
> 8x------
> KDE 4 is the current KDE version supported by upstream.
> 8x------
>
> However, if I try to install KDE 4.2, it says KDE 4.2 is masked...
>
> Is it right? Do I have to unmask it to install KDE 4.2, even if it is
> the current KDE version supported by upstream?
>
> (I tried to follow the instruction and unmasking using the provided
> file, but I met lot of other masked packages...)
>
> Should I wait for KDE 4 to become unmasked?

It's not "masked", as that refers to hard-masking.  When portage says 
"masked by keyword" it means it's simply keyworded "~arch" instead of 
"arch".  To install it, you don't have to "unmask" it 
(/etc/portage/package.unmask), you have to keyword it (and that's 
/etc/portage/package.keywords).

Whether you decide to wait for it to be stabilized (put in "arch") is up 
to you.  If you decide not to wait, don't install 4.2.4.  Go for 4.3.0 
instead since 4.2.4 will be removed from portage at some point and will 
never be stabilized.  Stabilization will happen with 4.3.x.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Dale]

Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Reading
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml#kde_portage
>
> I found the following sentence:
>
> 8x------
> KDE 4 is the current KDE version supported by upstream.
> 8x------
>
> However, if I try to install KDE 4.2, it says KDE 4.2 is masked...
>
> Is it right? Do I have to unmask it to install KDE 4.2, even if it is
> the current KDE version supported by upstream?
>
> (I tried to follow the instruction and unmasking using the provided
> file, but I met lot of other masked packages...)
>
> Should I wait for KDE 4 to become unmasked?
>
> Thank you,
> Massimiliano

Just to add a little more info.  When it says that KDE is basically only
supporting KDE4, that just means there is no more "features" being added
to KDE3 and most likely only a few bug or security fixes.  They may fix
some major problem but they are mostly concentrating on KDE4.

If you want to install KDE4, check out autounmask.  It is a neat little
tool to deal with all the dependencies that KDE4 needs.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Massimiliano Ziccardi]

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Thank you all a lot.

When I saw that KDE4 was the current supported version, I though I had to
update to KDE4, but emerge wasn't able to update from KDE 3 to KDE 4 for
some reason (I had a similar problem some time ago with the monolithic
package).

I'll wait for KDE 4 to be stabilized.

Again, gentoo community is the best!

Thanks!

---
Massimiliano

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Reading
> > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml#kde_portage
> >
> > I found the following sentence:
> >
> > 8x------
> > KDE 4 is the current KDE version supported by upstream.
> > 8x------
> >
> > However, if I try to install KDE 4.2, it says KDE 4.2 is masked...
> >
> > Is it right? Do I have to unmask it to install KDE 4.2, even if it is
> > the current KDE version supported by upstream?
> >
> > (I tried to follow the instruction and unmasking using the provided
> > file, but I met lot of other masked packages...)
> >
> > Should I wait for KDE 4 to become unmasked?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Massimiliano
>
> Just to add a little more info.  When it says that KDE is basically only
> supporting KDE4, that just means there is no more "features" being added
> to KDE3 and most likely only a few bug or security fixes.  They may fix
> some major problem but they are mostly concentrating on KDE4.
>
> If you want to install KDE4, check out autounmask.  It is a neat little
> tool to deal with all the dependencies that KDE4 needs.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Dale]

Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
> Thank you all a lot.
>
> When I saw that KDE4 was the current supported version, I though I had
> to update to KDE4, but emerge wasn't able to update from KDE 3 to KDE
> 4 for some reason (I had a similar problem some time ago with the
> monolithic package).
>
> I'll wait for KDE 4 to be stabilized.
>
> Again, gentoo community is the best!
>
> Thanks!
>
> ---
> Massimiliano
>

This is my opinion so don't etch this in stone or anything.  I don't
think KDE4 is quite ready yet.  There are still a few things that are
not "there" yet.  It has come a LONG way since I tried 4.1 tho.  I may
wait until KDE 4.4 comes out before I really switch over.  I also don't
like the kdm screen for KDE4 either.  Long story.

If you want something stable, by all means wait a bit.  You can have
both installed at the same time tho.  I do right now.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[BRM]

As noted by Duncan on the Gentoo-AMD64 list (see the archives there for the last few days) - KDE3 may be masked at any point now if there are security issues, etc. that arise as KDE is very minimally supporting it and there are apparently very few if anyone in the Gentoo community working on KDE3 now too; it seems the Gentoo/KDE team has moved on to KDE4 as well so KDE3 isn't really being paid attention too, and if something breaks it might get fixed or KDE3 might get masked instead.

Duncan brought it up out of concern that KDE3 may be masked before KDE4 is marked arch stable, and wanted to the let the AMD64 community know.

If you want details, I suggest:

1) Read the archives in the AMD64 list for the last few days - namely the thread titled "Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers," - pay most attention to the early part of the thread, as it did get a little distracted late yesterday and early today on topics of hardware support (kind of related, by probably mostly off-topic).
2) Check out the Gentoo-Desktop list, there are some related summaries of some meetings that provide some good info as well.
3) Check out the Gentoo-KDE folks, and see what they are up to.

All that said, there is a call out for people interested in supporting KDE3 via an overlay. So if you really want to continue using KDE3 in the long term, I would suggest checking into how you can help out. (Who knows, may be if enough people complain to Gentoo/KDE they'll keep someone on it more; but from what I little I am aware that doesn't sound likely.)

Just another messenger,

Ben



----- Original Message ----
From: Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:34:30 AM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
> Thank you all a lot.
>
> When I saw that KDE4 was the current supported version, I though I had
> to update to KDE4, but emerge wasn't able to update from KDE 3 to KDE
> 4 for some reason (I had a similar problem some time ago with the
> monolithic package).
>
> I'll wait for KDE 4 to be stabilized.
>
> Again, gentoo community is the best!
>
> Thanks!
>
> ---
> Massimiliano
>

This is my opinion so don't etch this in stone or anything.  I don't
think KDE4 is quite ready yet.  There are still a few things that are
not "there" yet.  It has come a LONG way since I tried 4.1 tho.  I may
wait until KDE 4.4 comes out before I really switch over.  I also don't
like the kdm screen for KDE4 either.  Long story.

If you want something stable, by all means wait a bit.  You can have
both installed at the same time tho.  I do right now.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Massimiliano Ziccardi]

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Hi Ben. Thank you too!

>Duncan brought it up out of concern that KDE3 may be masked before KDE4 is
marked arch stable, >and wanted to the let the AMD64 community know.

That's not very nice. I can't update to KDE4 'couse it's not ready stable
enough, but KDE3 could get masked....It's seems like I'm living on the
edge... :-)

Maybe would be better to witch to gnome?

Thanks,
Massimiliano



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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Freitag 28 August 2009 17:41:42 schrieb Massimiliano Ziccardi:

> That's not very nice. I can't update to KDE4 'couse it's not ready stable
> enough, but KDE3 could get masked....It's seems like I'm living on the
> edge... :-)

Seems this needs some clarification: KDE 4.3 _is_ stable, otherwise it wouldn't 
have been released by KDE devs. It's only the Gentoo ebuilds which are not 
considered stable, yet. Although I don't have any idea what holds them up, it 
installed and works smoothly on two of my systems.

That said, just try it, it's the best KDE you've ever seen :) .

Bye...

	Dirk

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Massimiliano
Ziccardi<massimiliano.ziccardi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ben. Thank you too!
>
>>Duncan brought it up out of concern that KDE3 may be masked before KDE4 is
>> marked arch stable, >and wanted to the let the AMD64 community know.
>
> That's not very nice. I can't update to KDE4 'couse it's not ready stable
> enough, but KDE3 could get masked....It's seems like I'm living on the
> edge... :-)
>
> Maybe would be better to witch to gnome?
>
> Thanks,
> Massimiliano
>

Instead of Gnome consider something like XFCE. Very lightweight,
builds quickly (say <10 minutes) little disk space. It runs all the
apps I used to run in Gnome fine. Has menus like Gnome and KDE.

Just an idea and maybe you'll find you like it and if not it would
tide you over until KDE4 is ready.

I also like fluxbox but it's probably too minimal for a committed KDE user.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Peter Humphrey]

On Friday 28 August 2009 16:41:42 Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:

> Maybe would be better to witch to gnome?

Not in a month of Sundays.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Massimiliano Ziccardi]

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>Instead of Gnome consider something like XFCE

Already tried some time ago but, for some weird reason, it gave me lots of
problems...

>I also like fluxbox but it's probably too minimal for a committed KDE user.

That's not a problem: I've used TWM, MWM and WindowMaker for quite long time
too :-)

It's just that I like KDE :-) I have two PC's at work: the dektop one is
with Ubuntu/gnome, while the thinkpad is with gentoo/KDE.

Thanks,
Massimiliano

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Massimiliano
Ziccardi<massimiliano.ziccardi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Instead of Gnome consider something like XFCE
>
> Already tried some time ago but, for some weird reason, it gave me lots of
> problems...
>

Well, if it doesn't fit then don't wear it. I think the newer versions
a similar enough to Gnome that I hardly noticed a difference myself. I
don't do anything fancy though. I don't have the patience to deal with
KDE on Gentoo!

Good luck with whatever choice you make.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Freitag, 28. August 2009 schrieb Dirk Heinrichs:
> Am Freitag 28 August 2009 17:41:42 schrieb Massimiliano Ziccardi:
> > That's not very nice. I can't update to KDE4 'couse it's not ready stable
> > enough, but KDE3 could get masked....It's seems like I'm living on the
> > edge... :-)
>
> Seems this needs some clarification: KDE 4.3 _is_ stable, otherwise it
> wouldn't have been released by KDE devs. It's only the Gentoo ebuilds which
> are not considered stable, yet. Although I don't have any idea what holds
> them up, it installed and works smoothly on two of my systems.
>
> That said, just try it, it's the best KDE you've ever seen :) .

Well, I still _do_ have constant crashes of KDE4 in conjunction with NVidia 
drivers. So for me it is definitely not stable yet. Also, it still misses 
some major features, like khotkeys not working properly (shortcuts to launch 
apps don't work), there's no way to disable transparency besides using 
another theme or disabling effects alltogether. Some ported kde3 apps are 
still beta at best, like k3b or kile.

It really has some nice new features, but other things just keep me away and 
let me wonder what I'll do once I can't hold on KDE3 any longer. :-/
-- 
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Crayons can take you more places than starships. (Guinan)

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Freitag 28 August 2009 19:42:00 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger:

> > That said, just try it, it's the best KDE you've ever seen :) .

> Well, I still do have constant crashes of KDE4 in conjunction with NVidia
> drivers.

Hmm, I don't.

> So for me it is definitely not stable yet. Also, it still misses
> some major features, like khotkeys not working properly (shortcuts to
> launch apps don't work), there's no way to disable transparency besides
> using another theme or disabling effects alltogether. Some ported kde3 apps
> are still beta at best, like k3b or kile.

That's anoying at best, but says nothing about stability.

> It really has some nice new features, but other things just keep me away
> and let me wonder what I'll do once I can't hold on KDE3 any longer. :-/

Just courious: What would prevent you from keeping KDE3 forever, if needed?

Bye...

	Dirk

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Freitag, 28. August 2009 schrieb Dirk Heinrichs:

> Just courious: What would prevent you from keeping KDE3 forever, if needed?

Good question, it just dooms over my head. Gentoo-kde people are planning to 
move KDE3 to an overlay, so keeping it will be made easy.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Philip Webb]

090828 Mark Knecht wrote:
>>> KDE3 may be masked before KDE4 is marked arch stable
>> Maybe would be better to witch to gnome?
> Instead of Gnome consider something like XFCE.
> Very lightweight, builds quickly (say < 10 minutes) little disk space.
> It has menus like Gnome and KDE.
> I also like fluxbox but it's probably too minimal for a committed KDE user.

I was a committed KDE user till April, when I tried the latest Fluxbox
& haven't looked back: they've done a lot of work to make it useful.
I still use a few KDE 3 apps, but am resigned to finding alternatives,
if KDE 4.3.1 isn't a distinct improvement on 4.2.1, when I try it in Oct.
Besides Fluxbox, I can recommend Xfce's Thunar & Terminal,
which I now use regularly.

I expect to keep KDE 3.5.9 in my stand-by machine for a long time,
but I don't update either box using 'emerge world',
so I won't run into serious blocks & masks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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Am Freitag, 28. August 2009 schrieb Philip Webb:

> if KDE 4.3.1 isn't a distinct improvement on 4.2.1, when I try it in Oct.
> Besides Fluxbox, I can recommend Xfce's Thunar & Terminal,
> which I now use regularly.

I've tested it, but Thunar, just as other Gtk file managers such as Nautilus, 
not even come close to what Konqueror 3 has to offer. Plus, their use (or 
rather) waste of screen space is exceptional.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 installation

[Philip Webb]

090828 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>> Besides Fluxbox, I can recommend Xfce's Thunar & Terminal,
> I've tested it, but Thunar, just as other Gtk file managers eg Nautilus, 
> not even come close to what Konqueror 3 has to offer.
> Plus, their use (or rather) waste of screen space is exceptional.

I use Krusader for heavy lifting.  MC 4.7.0 sb out soon
& they mb aiming for a really new MC 5 , which wb worth investigating.

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