From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ma4il-0000Kc-3t for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:29:43 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EF42E047B; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f210.google.com (mail-ew0-f210.google.com [209.85.219.210]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D52BE047B for ; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so624395ewy.34 for ; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 02:29:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=TvjowvnhB2SMUqyL6MqasSmqGqweJmdtANxbsvNyJUo=; b=lrYdgejC4Zl+9lnk9wkAD7ve/abTh0bEaTHwzD4Y+qU7uadOmEHmi7yYLJI9N9cNzR jFgAqX1+yHwa42Mcj84c25lyt87vpEwWekRTxzLULiT4LVsw4/tWtz2LNXLgR+2ysFe6 K2ZtbvhuA/zPelwqKKcysQ6XlB0wfvLdLgzg0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=QtZW/ASdmxt9I4hipTP5MQouF58UamwtWNJkRNT++JpEXcZ9ijW3VwaQ7xIwOrMv2a 4atLVh0DynK5m61lTjd9zey5H85cOq0xCTVLiXox+afwH9cplgbpiMOrBdbA8jDBbFYg 7p5JU+pVEGKYD/Z2pXJjqP4WmyUIbpm3l56cQ= Received: by 10.210.102.9 with SMTP id z9mr3684404ebb.93.1249810180810; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 02:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lappy.study (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm7976024eyx.33.2009.08.09.02.29.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 02:29:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: DSL and AT&T. About time. Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:29:26 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A7CBC95.9030008@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart15065064.rM2a6K55l3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200908091029.37534.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 5ddd26c6-185f-436e-8c9e-5891b3f378c6 X-Archives-Hash: 2471bf4f47be379f73e6576fe92fdf4d --nextPart15065064.rM2a6K55l3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 08 August 2009, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2009-08-08, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > On 08/08/2009 05:29 AM, Dale wrote: > >> I had thought about picking up a Linksys router and putting it > >> between my desktop and the modem. > > > > Your modem is probably a router anyway. +1 I don't think I have seen a proper adsl modem for years now. 99% of them a= re=20 modem+router combos or half-bridged routers. > Almost certainly (at least in the US). DSL modems with > Ethernet interfaces almost always are routers/firewalls (and > have been since way back when). It used to be common for Cable > modems to be bridges, but that seems to be getting less > common. Yes, most cable so called modems are half-bridged routers. > > Furthermore, right now you're accessing the internet without > > any form of protection anyway. If you're with dial-up, that > > means you're connected directly to the internet. And don't > > forget this is Linux, not Windows. > > > > Even without a firewall, remote break-in is highly improbable, > > especially since you're not running any Apache or MySQL > > servers on your machine (at least I assume you don't.) > > That's what I thought back when I was using dialup on a Linux > box that didn't have any servers running. Then one day I got > root-kitted. > > IMO, safely attaching a Linux machine directly to the Internet > takes a fair bit of skill and lot of diligence. Safely > attaching a Windows machine directly to the Internet is at > least an order of magnitude more difficult. I think that both are exactly the same in terms of measures that need apply= =2E =20 A firewall and practicing safe-hex. Of course the Linux machine has the added benefit that it should not be=20 opening or listening on all sort of ports that you did not ask it to and as= a=20 rule in Linux you are not running a desktop and its applications logged in = as=20 root, but the basic premise of using a firewall is the same. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart15065064.rM2a6K55l3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkp+lwEACgkQVTDTR3kpaLZ2UwCfeXUi6vDboGxMmRk8OBaIdT/B 3agAnibg/YQpO0q+TsNEV4DR1HFXVuy4 =CyeO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart15065064.rM2a6K55l3--