From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MUJLZ-0004rv-KU for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:53:57 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D98C8E023B; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f217.google.com (mail-ew0-f217.google.com [209.85.219.217]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2CCE023B for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy17 with SMTP id 17so1625547ewy.34 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:53:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=tb3bkSZvNgTVEzslVGn06F3LJ6/CsvWraOTJHQzX8zo=; b=UZ3jY4ttkrW0gBfx2KDxuf86xq+bkdscWvptdcE8/R2+N2jkXe6k2ArxJYvDtriz/R VG/zmcok8BWBgOfjz6Y+B2u4zfHLNpC23xJ3cTDLwBZq3YkmWnb+B84wccA/DgB95kXf oTYtvgCi17Ld2whPF2YhCpjw78BQMn6xeXRSY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=u9+x7uiUg1qrV39WbgWZgEvedEFvj1FgASQYwU5x0Z641wXenS/xHgv8f89ruv8ebi OCQeVEhbXU6XRHK2sOClgHYIVNyA/+l38lVqJMAOb3gw7auqQNFg5humqtzhk7cLgRrm bUU7PuyGqtjWGwFD6xfsEv+aMD16A6AMAPCk4= Received: by 10.210.61.8 with SMTP id j8mr865641eba.64.1248436435106; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from energy.localnet (energy.heim10.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.197.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm5530624ewy.11.2009.07.24.04.53.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] DontZap and Ctrl+Alt+Bs Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:53:51 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.90 (Linux/2.6.30.1r4; KDE/4.3.61; x86_64; ; ) References: <20090724122828.2a0a0e02@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20090724122828.2a0a0e02@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200907241353.51488.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 3865b4af-4cb8-4e22-a84d-31e719d82e86 X-Archives-Hash: 75e0b003dd9ba3096e0ad04866a0fbb9 On Freitag 24 Juli 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:16:34 +0300 (EEST), Igor Nemilentsev wrote: > > > complain to the fedora idiots who thought that zapping is not needed > > > anymore? > > > > I don't know but do fedora's developers have an very serious > > influence on Xorg development ? > > According to man xorg.conf, DontVTSwitch and DontZap both default to off. > I can see the use for such options, when you don't want your users > exiting X or even specific programs, but the default seems sensible. Is > it just Fedora that change the defaults? no, they changed the default from DontZap false to DontZap true. And all of= =20 its proponents are fedora/redhat devs. Because ctrl+alt+backspace is bad fo= r=20 emacs users (wtf? I have used emacs in the past - never a problem) or poor= =20 stupid people hit it accidentally (and what happens when you do it in=20 windows?). So they changed this eternal old default. No matter that it is=20 extremly usefull to quickly kill a misbehaving X - or as a nice way to log = out=20 of kde/gnome/whatever without having to click some confirmation first. of course - ubuntu was happy about the change. But ubuntu is made for ... grrrrrr