[gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[meino.cramer]

Hi,

after removing tetex and installing texlive-2008 by following
his guide
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/tex/texlive-migration-guide.xml
I run into a mysterious problem:
All my *.tex-files are handled as they would be written in 
LaTeX. But they are good old plainTeX.

Where can I change thsi behaviour and what did I wrong in
migrating from tetex?

Thank you very much for your help in advance!
Have a nice weekend!
Kind regards,
Meino Cramer




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Re: [gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[Hung Dang]

meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:
> Hi,
>
> after removing tetex and installing texlive-2008 by following
> his guide
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/tex/texlive-migration-guide.xml
> I run into a mysterious problem:
> All my *.tex-files are handled as they would be written in 
> LaTeX. But they are good old plainTeX.
>
> Where can I change thsi behaviour and what did I wrong in
> migrating from tetex?
>
> Thank you very much for your help in advance!
> Have a nice weekend!
> Kind regards,
> Meino Cramer
>
>
>
>
>   
I have moved from Tetex to Texlive without any problem. What kind of
problem do you have?

Regards,
Hung

Re: [gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[meino.cramer]

Hung Dang <hungptit@gmail.com> [09-06-28 10:27]:
> meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > after removing tetex and installing texlive-2008 by following
> > his guide
> > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/tex/texlive-migration-guide.xml
> > I run into a mysterious problem:
> > All my *.tex-files are handled as they would be written in 
> > LaTeX. But they are good old plainTeX.
> >
> > Where can I change thsi behaviour and what did I wrong in
> > migrating from tetex?
> >
> > Thank you very much for your help in advance!
> > Have a nice weekend!
> > Kind regards,
> > Meino Cramer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> I have moved from Tetex to Texlive without any problem. What kind of
> problem do you have?
> 
> Regards,
> Hung


Hi Hung,

may I cite myself :    ;)

> > All my *.tex-files are handled as they would be written in 
> > LaTeX. But they are good old plainTeX.
> >

or in other words:

tex texfile.tex

ends up in errors due to the fact, that "texfile.tex" contains syntax
with LaTeX dont understand. Fo example a missing "documentstyle".

Regards,
Meino




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Re: [gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[Arttu V.]

On 6/28/09, meino.cramer@gmx.de <meino.cramer@gmx.de> wrote:
>> > All my *.tex-files are handled as they would be written in
>> > LaTeX. But they are good old plainTeX.
>> >
>
> or in other words:
>
> tex texfile.tex
>
> ends up in errors due to the fact, that "texfile.tex" contains syntax
> with LaTeX dont understand. Fo example a missing "documentstyle".

man tex

"When called as virtex  it will  use  the  plain format."

Not sure if this is what is called "plainTeX", I've only used LaTeX.

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Re: [gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[meino.cramer]

Arttu V. <arttuv69@gmail.com> [09-06-28 13:27]:
> On 6/28/09, meino.cramer@gmx.de <meino.cramer@gmx.de> wrote:
> >> > All my *.tex-files are handled as they would be written in
> >> > LaTeX. But they are good old plainTeX.
> >> >
> >
> > or in other words:
> >
> > tex texfile.tex
> >
> > ends up in errors due to the fact, that "texfile.tex" contains syntax
> > with LaTeX dont understand. Fo example a missing "documentstyle".
> 
> man tex
> 
> "When called as virtex  it will  use  the  plain format."
> 
> Not sure if this is what is called "plainTeX", I've only used LaTeX.
> 
> -- 
> Arttu V.

Yes, it is...
tetex leaves the names of the executables untouched...

Ok, here is what I got:

/home/mccramer>virtex texfile.tex
This is TeXk, Version 3.1415926 (Web2C 7.5.7)
 %&-line parsing enabled.

kpathsea: Running mktexfmt plain.fmt
I can't find the format file `plain.fmt'!


/home/mccramer>locate plainfmt.tex
/home/mccramer>

(what means, 'locate' didn't found anything like that).

Lost?









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Re: [gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[Arttu V.]

On 6/28/09, meino.cramer@gmx.de <meino.cramer@gmx.de> wrote:
> Arttu V. <arttuv69@gmail.com> [09-06-28 13:27]:
>> man tex
>>
>> "When called as virtex  it will  use  the  plain format."
>>
>> Not sure if this is what is called "plainTeX", I've only used LaTeX.
>
> Yes, it is...
> tetex leaves the names of the executables untouched...
>
> Ok, here is what I got:
>
> /home/mccramer>virtex texfile.tex
> This is TeXk, Version 3.1415926 (Web2C 7.5.7)
>  %&-line parsing enabled.
>
> kpathsea: Running mktexfmt plain.fmt
> I can't find the format file `plain.fmt'!

Could they be hidden in the USE=""extra" as Debian seems to have
something similar sounding in such a package:

http://packages.debian.org/fi/lenny/texlive-formats-extra

"texsis -- Plain TeX macros for Physicists."

Unfortunately I have USE="-extra" as they caused some trouble on
Gentoo and I didn't really need them at that moment.

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Re: [gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[meino.cramer]

Arttu V. <arttuv69@gmail.com> [09-06-28 13:52]:
> On 6/28/09, meino.cramer@gmx.de <meino.cramer@gmx.de> wrote:
> > Arttu V. <arttuv69@gmail.com> [09-06-28 13:27]:
> >> man tex
> >>
> >> "When called as virtex  it will  use  the  plain format."
> >>
> >> Not sure if this is what is called "plainTeX", I've only used LaTeX.
> >
> > Yes, it is...
> > tetex leaves the names of the executables untouched...
> >
> > Ok, here is what I got:
> >
> > /home/mccramer>virtex texfile.tex
> > This is TeXk, Version 3.1415926 (Web2C 7.5.7)
> >  %&-line parsing enabled.
> >
> > kpathsea: Running mktexfmt plain.fmt
> > I can't find the format file `plain.fmt'!
> 
> Could they be hidden in the USE=""extra" as Debian seems to have
> something similar sounding in such a package:
> 
> http://packages.debian.org/fi/lenny/texlive-formats-extra
> 
> "texsis -- Plain TeX macros for Physicists."
> 
> Unfortunately I have USE="-extra" as they caused some trouble on
> Gentoo and I didn't really need them at that moment.
> 
> -- 
> Arttu V.

LaTeX macros (as LaTeX is nothing else than macros) are based on
plaintex macros. So I am very...hrrrm...astonished, that it seems,
the installation wants to format my TeX file in LaTeX manner and
seems not to know anything about plain tex.



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Re: [gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[pk]

meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:

> /home/mccramer>virtex texfile.tex
> This is TeXk, Version 3.1415926 (Web2C 7.5.7)
>  %&-line parsing enabled.
> 
> kpathsea: Running mktexfmt plain.fmt
> I can't find the format file `plain.fmt'!
> 
> 
> /home/mccramer>locate plainfmt.tex

Go to http://www.tug.org/texinfohtml/web2c.html
Search for 'plain.fmt'... It seems like this could be solved by making a
symbolic link from 'tex.fmt' (as suggested elsewhere). Haven't tried
this myself so no guarantees...

MfG

Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[meino.cramer]

pk <peterk2@coolmail.se> [09-06-28 19:37]:
> meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:
> 
> > /home/mccramer>virtex texfile.tex
> > This is TeXk, Version 3.1415926 (Web2C 7.5.7)
> >  %&-line parsing enabled.
> > 
> > kpathsea: Running mktexfmt plain.fmt
> > I can't find the format file `plain.fmt'!
> > 
> > 
> > /home/mccramer>locate plainfmt.tex
> 
> Go to http://www.tug.org/texinfohtml/web2c.html
> Search for 'plain.fmt'... It seems like this could be solved by making a
> symbolic link from 'tex.fmt' (as suggested elsewhere). Haven't tried
> this myself so no guarantees...
> 
> MfG
> 
> Peter K

...and dont forget to do a

    ls -R . > ls-R 

in the according root directory, from where are all
*.fmt are installed, otherwise kpathsea will fail to find the file.

But what was the idea behind "tex" to behave like compiling/texing 
for /LaTeX/ instead of plain TeX? This is the first time, when I
have to call virtex to compile/tex for plain tex format...

Even the manpages say:

       This  version of TeX looks at its command line to see what name it
       was called under.  If they exist, then both initex and virtex  are
       symbolic  links  to the tex executable.  When called as initex (or
       when the -ini option is given) it can be used to precompile macros
       into  a  .fmt  file.   When called as virtex it will use the plain
       format.  When called under any other name, TeX will use that  name
       as the name of the format to use.  i
       
       (But:)
       For example, when called as tex the tex format is used, which
       is identical to  the  plain  format.  The commands defined by
       the plain format are documented in The TeX for nroffbook.
       Other formats that  are  often  available  include latex and
       amstex.

So, there seems something non-standard or my installation git rotten
regarding this...

Normally initex is used to create *.fmt files. And virtex (from virgin
tex) is the one which does it works without any tex format -- the
way to write in "TeX assembler" so to say...

Myterious the world we live in, mysterious the way we go...

Slightly confused,
Meino Cramer




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Re: [gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[pk]

meino.cramer@gmx.de wrote:

> ...and dont forget to do a
> 
>     ls -R . > ls-R 
> 
> in the according root directory, from where are all
> *.fmt are installed, otherwise kpathsea will fail to find the file.

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

> But what was the idea behind "tex" to behave like compiling/texing 
> for /LaTeX/ instead of plain TeX? This is the first time, when I
> have to call virtex to compile/tex for plain tex format...
> 
> Even the manpages say:
> 
>        This  version of TeX looks at its command line to see what name it
>        was called under.  If they exist, then both initex and virtex  are
>        symbolic  links  to the tex executable.  When called as initex (or
>        when the -ini option is given) it can be used to precompile macros
>        into  a  .fmt  file.   When called as virtex it will use the plain
>        format.  When called under any other name, TeX will use that  name
>        as the name of the format to use.  i
>        
>        (But:)
>        For example, when called as tex the tex format is used, which
>        is identical to  the  plain  format.  The commands defined by
>        the plain format are documented in The TeX for nroffbook.
>        Other formats that  are  often  available  include latex and
>        amstex.
> 
> So, there seems something non-standard or my installation git rotten
> regarding this...

Well, if possible, you could always try this on another system, to see
if it's unique to your machine...

> Normally initex is used to create *.fmt files. And virtex (from virgin
> tex) is the one which does it works without any tex format -- the
> way to write in "TeX assembler" so to say...
> 
> Myterious the world we live in, mysterious the way we go...

Couldn't agree more. :-)

MfG

Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[Sebastian Günther]

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Am Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:30:58 +0200
schrieb meino.cramer@gmx.de:

> Hi,
> 
> after removing tetex and installing texlive-2008 by following
> his guide
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/tex/texlive-migration-guide.xml
> I run into a mysterious problem:
> All my *.tex-files are handled as they would be written in 
> LaTeX. But they are good old plainTeX.
> 

What application handles them as LaTeX?


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Re: [gentoo-user] plainTeX instead of LaTeX

[meino.cramer]

Sebastian Günther <samson@guenther-roetgen.de> [09-06-28 10:32]:
> Am Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:30:58 +0200
> schrieb meino.cramer@gmx.de:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > after removing tetex and installing texlive-2008 by following
> > his guide
> > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/tex/texlive-migration-guide.xml
> > I run into a mysterious problem:
> > All my *.tex-files are handled as they would be written in 
> > LaTeX. But they are good old plainTeX.
> > 
> 
> What application handles them as LaTeX?
> 
> 
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the /usr/bin/tex executable



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