[gentoo-user] Umlaut trouble in filenames

[gentoo-user] Umlaut trouble in filenames

[Alex Schuster]

Hi there!

I have a problem with umlauts in file names. They are working fine when I 
create a file, but I have lots of files I moved from my former system that 
show umlauts just as a question mark. I think I transferred them via NFS.

I have LANG=de_DE.utf8@euro set now, before it was unset. Those umlaut files 
refuse to play in applications like amarok2. I can rename them with mv on 
the command line, making use of tab completion, but it's annoying.

So, does anyone have a trick to automate this?

I tried using tr. Using od -t x1 I see that what has to be 'ü' comes out as 
0374 (octal). But "echo ü | od -t o1" gives 0303 0274 which tells me that in 
unicode the umlauts are coded as two bytes. But I think I cannot use tr to 
replace one character by a sequence of two characters.
And with sed, I don't know how to express the source string, it does not 
seem to be capable of octal notation.

The only way I see is to use tr to replace the original ü with some special 
character like €, and then use sed to replace € by ü. And repeat this for 
[äöüÄÖÜß] and all the accented characters which I do not know how to type 
here with nodeadkeys option set in xorg.conf (I'd be interested in how to do 
this, too).

Do you have simpler ideas?

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Umlaut trouble in filenames

[Renat Golubchyk]

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Hi!

Am Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:31:09 +0200
schrieb Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org>:
> I have a problem with umlauts in file names. They are working fine
> when I create a file, but I have lots of files I moved from my former
> system that show umlauts just as a question mark. I think I
> transferred them via NFS.
> 
> I have LANG=de_DE.utf8@euro set now, before it was unset. Those
> umlaut files refuse to play in applications like amarok2. I can
> rename them with mv on the command line, making use of tab
> completion, but it's annoying.
> 
> So, does anyone have a trick to automate this?

Use app-text/convmv.


Cheers,
Renat

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durch die sie entstanden sind.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Umlaut trouble in filenames

[Alex Schuster]

Renat Golubchyk writes:

> schrieb Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org>:
> > I have a problem with umlauts in file names. They are working fine
> > when I create a file, but I have lots of files I moved from my former
> > system that show umlauts just as a question mark. I think I
> > transferred them via NFS.
> >
> > I have LANG=de_DE.utf8@euro set now, before it was unset. Those
> > umlaut files refuse to play in applications like amarok2. I can
> > rename them with mv on the command line, making use of tab
> > completion, but it's annoying.
> >
> > So, does anyone have a trick to automate this?
>
> Use app-text/convmv.

Wow, this is not exactly what I was looking for, it is much better. THANKS!

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Umlaut trouble in filenames

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Donnerstag 18 Juni 2009, Alex Schuster wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I have a problem with umlauts in file names. They are working fine when I
> create a file, but I have lots of files I moved from my former system that
> show umlauts just as a question mark. I think I transferred them via NFS.
>
> I have LANG=de_DE.utf8@euro set now, before it was unset. Those umlaut

btw
use either de_DE@euro or de_DE.UTF8

Re: [gentoo-user] Umlaut trouble in filenames

[Alex Schuster]

Volker Armin Hemmann writes:

> On Donnerstag 18 Juni 2009, Alex Schuster wrote:

> > I have LANG=de_DE.utf8@euro set now, before it was unset. Those umlaut
>
> btw
> use either de_DE@euro or de_DE.UTF8

Oh, thanks.

I got this setting from the gentoo localization guide (the google cache 
still shows that version), which now suggests using LANG="de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8" 
- any idea why the second UTF-8 would be necessary? It's described in the 
german version only. I have it set to de_DE.UTF8 now.

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Umlaut trouble in filenames

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 19 Juni 2009, Alex Schuster wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann writes:
> > On Donnerstag 18 Juni 2009, Alex Schuster wrote:
> > > I have LANG=de_DE.utf8@euro set now, before it was unset. Those umlaut
> >
> > btw
> > use either de_DE@euro or de_DE.UTF8
>
> Oh, thanks.
>
> I got this setting from the gentoo localization guide (the google cache
> still shows that version), which now suggests using LANG="de_DE.UTF-8
> UTF-8" - any idea why the second UTF-8 would be necessary? It's described
> in the german version only. I have it set to de_DE.UTF8 now.
>
> 	Wonko

nope, I have:

de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8
de_DE ISO-8859-1
de_DE@euro ISO-8859-15

in locale.gen 
and
LANG=de_DE@euro
LANGUAGE=de_DE@euro
LC_ALL=de_DE@euro

set.

which works well. utf gave me trouble in the past, so I shelfed that idea a 
long time ago.

Re: [gentoo-user] Umlaut trouble in filenames

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Freitag 19 Juni 2009 16:42:23 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> which works well. utf gave me trouble in the past, so I shelfed that idea a
> long time ago.

OTOH, utf8 works perfectly well here, since years.

Bye...

	Dirk

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Re: [gentoo-user] Umlaut trouble in filenames

[Mick]

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On Friday 19 June 2009, Alex Schuster wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann writes:
> > On Donnerstag 18 Juni 2009, Alex Schuster wrote:
> > > I have LANG=de_DE.utf8@euro set now, before it was unset. Those umlaut
> >
> > btw
> > use either de_DE@euro or de_DE.UTF8
>
> Oh, thanks.
>
> I got this setting from the gentoo localization guide (the google cache
> still shows that version), which now suggests using LANG="de_DE.UTF-8
> UTF-8" - any idea why the second UTF-8 would be necessary? It's described
> in the german version only. I have it set to de_DE.UTF8 now.

I think that the localization guide refers to /etc/locale.gen which uses the 
format:

<locale> <charmap>

So, de_DE.UTF-8 is the locale (as shown in /usr/share/i18n/locales/) and UTF-8 
is the character map (as shown in /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/).
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Umlaut trouble in filenames

[Alex Schuster]

Again, I have some problem with umlauts, this time with remote files I want 
to download via FTP. In KDE4, Dolphin and konqueror are unable to read the 
file. I can get it manually via command line ftp, but then again dolphin or 
ark are unable to do anything with it. No big problem, I can rename the file 
using wild cards or tab completion, or using convmv, but this just looks 
wrong to me. Or is this normal?

My $LANG is de_DE.utf8, and in /etc/locale.gen I have:
en_US ISO-8859-1
en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8
de_DE ISO-8859-1
de_DE@euro ISO-8859-15

	Wonko