[gentoo-user] kde 3.5 packages blocking each other

[gentoo-user] kde 3.5 packages blocking each other

[Francisco Ares]

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Hi

As I'm still on KDE 3.X, I've got several package updates, but most of them
are blocking each other:

[blocks B     ] kde-base/kcontrol:3.5 ("kde-base/kcontrol:3.5" is blocking
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kicker:3.5 ("kde-base/kicker:3.5" is blocking
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/libkonq:3.5 ("kde-base/libkonq:3.5" is blocking
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdeedu ("kde-base/kdeedu" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/konqueror:3.5 ("kde-base/konqueror:3.5" is blocking
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdialog:3.5 ("kde-base/kdialog:3.5" is blocking
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.5* ("=kde-base/kdebase-3.5*" is blocking
kde-base/kmenuedit-3.5.10, kde-base/kdialog-3.5.10,
kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.10-r1, kde-base/kicker-3.5.10-r1,
kde-base/kdebase-data-3.5.10, kde-base/kfind-3.5.10,
kde-base/kcminit-3.5.10, kde-base/kdesu-3.5.10, kde-base/konqueror-3.5.10,
kde-base/khotkeys-3.5.10, kde-base/khelpcenter-3.5.10,
kde-base/libkonq-3.5.10, kde-base/kcontrol-3.5.10)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdeaddons ("kde-base/kdeaddons" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdeutils ("kde-base/kdeutils" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kcminit:3.5 ("kde-base/kcminit:3.5" is blocking
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kde ("kde-base/kde" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdetoys ("kde-base/kdetoys" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves:3.5
("kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves:3.5" is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kfind:3.5 ("kde-base/kfind:3.5" is blocking
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdepim ("kde-base/kdepim" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdebase ("kde-base/kdebase" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kmenuedit:3.5 ("kde-base/kmenuedit:3.5" is blocking
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdegraphics ("kde-base/kdegraphics" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdewebdev ("kde-base/kdewebdev" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdegames ("kde-base/kdegames" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/khotkeys:3.5 ("kde-base/khotkeys:3.5" is blocking
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdenetwork ("kde-base/kdenetwork" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdebase-data:3.5 ("kde-base/kdebase-data:3.5" is
blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdemultimedia ("kde-base/kdemultimedia" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdeadmin ("kde-base/kdeadmin" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdesu:3.5 ("kde-base/kdesu:3.5" is blocking
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdeartwork ("kde-base/kdeartwork" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
[blocks B     ] kde-base/khelpcenter:3.5 ("kde-base/khelpcenter:3.5" is
blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.9-r4)

It looks like there's some issue in some packages being 3.5.10 and all the
rest being 3.5.9, but I have no keywords set in
/etc/portage/packages.keywords - perhaps I should.

Any hints?

Thanks a lot
Francisco

-- 
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one
idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas." -
George Bernard Shaw

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde 3.5 packages blocking each other

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Freitag 12 Juni 2009 22:24:26 schrieb Francisco Ares:

> It looks like there's some issue in some packages being 3.5.10 and all the
> rest being 3.5.9, but I have no keywords set in
> /etc/portage/packages.keywords - perhaps I should.

Partly. It seems to be a mix of split ebuilds and monolithic ones. You should 
decide which one to use. The other part is indeed a version mix, because the 
monolithic ebuilds are still at 3.5.9.

HTH...

	Dirk

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde 3.5 packages blocking each other

[Francisco Ares]

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And how do I tell if an ebuild is monolithic or not?

Thanks
Francisco

-- 
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one
idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas." -
George Bernard Shaw

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde 3.5 packages blocking each other

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Freitag 12 Juni 2009 22:45:49 schrieb Francisco Ares:

> And how do I tell if an ebuild is monolithic or not?

The monolithic ones install larger parts of KDE, and usually have the same 
names as the original source packages offered at KDE.org.

The split ebuilds, well, split those packages into their individual 
applications, so you have ebuilds for konqueror (which is also part of 
kdenetwork) or kmail (kdepim). In addition, there are the "-meta" ebuilds, 
which have the same name as the monolitic ones, but with -meta appended 
(kdepim-meta). Those usually install the same applications than monolithic 
ebuilds, but as split ebuilds.

So, when you install kde, you get a complete KDE from monolithic ebuilds and 
when you install kde-meta, you get a complete KDE from split ebuilds.

That's also the reason why they block each other. When you have kdepim 
installed, you already got kmail, so you shouldn't install kmail from the 
split ebuild again.

HTH...

	Dirk



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Re: [gentoo-user] kde 3.5 packages blocking each other

[Francisco Ares]

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Thanks a lot!

Francisco

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Dirk Heinrichs <dirk.heinrichs@online.de>wrote:

> Am Freitag 12 Juni 2009 22:45:49 schrieb Francisco Ares:
>
> > And how do I tell if an ebuild is monolithic or not?
>
> The monolithic ones install larger parts of KDE, and usually have the same
> names as the original source packages offered at KDE.org.
>
> The split ebuilds, well, split those packages into their individual
> applications, so you have ebuilds for konqueror (which is also part of
> kdenetwork) or kmail (kdepim). In addition, there are the "-meta" ebuilds,
> which have the same name as the monolitic ones, but with -meta appended
> (kdepim-meta). Those usually install the same applications than monolithic
> ebuilds, but as split ebuilds.
>
> So, when you install kde, you get a complete KDE from monolithic ebuilds
> and
> when you install kde-meta, you get a complete KDE from split ebuilds.
>
> That's also the reason why they block each other. When you have kdepim
> installed, you already got kmail, so you shouldn't install kmail from the
> split ebuild again.
>
> HTH...
>
>        Dirk
>
>
>


-- 
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one
idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas." -
George Bernard Shaw

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde 3.5 packages blocking each other

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 13 June 2009 01:54:45 Francisco Ares wrote:
> Thanks a lot!

It's not completely obvious from Dirk's post (what he said is completely 
accurate though), but kde-3.5.10 will not receive monolithic ebuilds (dev 
decision). If you want kde-3.5.10, there is only one way to do it -

Unmerge your existing kde monolithic packages
Rememerge the new kde split packages

There's a good migration guide at gentoo.org, called "Migrating to KDE split 
ebuilds" or some such. A quick search will find it for you.



 
>
> Francisco
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Dirk Heinrichs 
<dirk.heinrichs@online.de>wrote:
> > Am Freitag 12 Juni 2009 22:45:49 schrieb Francisco Ares:
> > > And how do I tell if an ebuild is monolithic or not?
> >
> > The monolithic ones install larger parts of KDE, and usually have the
> > same names as the original source packages offered at KDE.org.
> >
> > The split ebuilds, well, split those packages into their individual
> > applications, so you have ebuilds for konqueror (which is also part of
> > kdenetwork) or kmail (kdepim). In addition, there are the "-meta"
> > ebuilds, which have the same name as the monolitic ones, but with -meta
> > appended (kdepim-meta). Those usually install the same applications than
> > monolithic ebuilds, but as split ebuilds.
> >
> > So, when you install kde, you get a complete KDE from monolithic ebuilds
> > and
> > when you install kde-meta, you get a complete KDE from split ebuilds.
> >
> > That's also the reason why they block each other. When you have kdepim
> > installed, you already got kmail, so you shouldn't install kmail from the
> > split ebuild again.
> >
> > HTH...
> >
> >        Dirk

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 3.5 packages blocking each other

[Francisco Ares]

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I've found out that there are some packages out of kde-basse that are
pulling 3.5.10 packages while they're still masked ~x86

One is Amarok.  Another, probably, is Ktorrent.

Anyone has seen it or am I the only one not using KDE 4 ;-)  ?

Best regards to all
Francisco

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Saturday 13 June 2009 01:54:45 Francisco Ares wrote:
> > Thanks a lot!
>
> It's not completely obvious from Dirk's post (what he said is completely
> accurate though), but kde-3.5.10 will not receive monolithic ebuilds (dev
> decision). If you want kde-3.5.10, there is only one way to do it -
>
> Unmerge your existing kde monolithic packages
> Rememerge the new kde split packages
>
> There's a good migration guide at gentoo.org, called "Migrating to KDE
> split
> ebuilds" or some such. A quick search will find it for you.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Francisco
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Dirk Heinrichs
> <dirk.heinrichs@online.de>wrote:
> > > Am Freitag 12 Juni 2009 22:45:49 schrieb Francisco Ares:
> > > > And how do I tell if an ebuild is monolithic or not?
> > >
> > > The monolithic ones install larger parts of KDE, and usually have the
> > > same names as the original source packages offered at KDE.org.
> > >
> > > The split ebuilds, well, split those packages into their individual
> > > applications, so you have ebuilds for konqueror (which is also part of
> > > kdenetwork) or kmail (kdepim). In addition, there are the "-meta"
> > > ebuilds, which have the same name as the monolitic ones, but with -meta
> > > appended (kdepim-meta). Those usually install the same applications
> than
> > > monolithic ebuilds, but as split ebuilds.
> > >
> > > So, when you install kde, you get a complete KDE from monolithic
> ebuilds
> > > and
> > > when you install kde-meta, you get a complete KDE from split ebuilds.
> > >
> > > That's also the reason why they block each other. When you have kdepim
> > > installed, you already got kmail, so you shouldn't install kmail from
> the
> > > split ebuild again.
> > >
> > > HTH...
> > >
> > >        Dirk
>
> --
> alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
>


-- 
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have one
idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas." -
George Bernard Shaw

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde 3.5 packages blocking each other

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 15 June 2009 03:32:57 Francisco Ares wrote:
> I've found out that there are some packages out of kde-basse that are
> pulling 3.5.10 packages while they're still masked ~x86
>
> One is Amarok.  Another, probably, is Ktorrent.

Amarok-1.4 will pull in kdelibs-3.5.10
Amarok-2.1 will pull in kdelibe-4

ktorrent also has a 3.5 and a 4 port.

k3b is still kde-3 only

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 3.5 packages blocking each other

[Francisco Ares]

Thanks again - going into kde-meta, it seems that everything will be ok

Francisco

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:57 AM, Alan McKinnon<alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday 15 June 2009 03:32:57 Francisco Ares wrote:
>> I've found out that there are some packages out of kde-basse that are
>> pulling 3.5.10 packages while they're still masked ~x86
>>
>> One is Amarok.  Another, probably, is Ktorrent.
>
> Amarok-1.4 will pull in kdelibs-3.5.10
> Amarok-2.1 will pull in kdelibe-4
>
> ktorrent also has a 3.5 and a 4 port.
>
> k3b is still kde-3 only
>
> --
> alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
>



-- 
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then
you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and
I have one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have
two ideas." - George Bernard Shaw