[gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Dale]

Hi folks,

I'm trying to upgrade to the newer kernel, namely
gentoo-sources-2.6.29.  It seems the drivers won't build against that
kernel or the drivers that do build won't let X come up.  How do I find
out what drivers are compatible with what kernels and my old card? 
Currently, I am using nvidia-drivers-173.14.09 with
gentoo-sources-2.6.23-gentoo-r8 which are quite old.  From my google
search it seems that is the last version that works with the old video card.

The drivers I am currently using works fine for me with my old kernel. 
It just doesn't build against the newer kernel or it fails to let the
GUI come up.  Any magic tricks?  Anybody with a 2.6.29 kernel and a
FX-5200 card care to share what version of drivers they are using?  ;-)

I think this is the error log for trying to build the current video
drivers against the newer kernel:

> INFO: setup
> Determining the location of the kernel source code
> Found kernel source directory:
>     /usr/src/linux
> Found sources for kernel version:
>     2.6.29-gentoo
> Checking for MTRR support ...
> Checking for Paravirtualized guest support ...
>
> INFO: unpack
> Applying NVIDIA_glx-defines.patch ...
> Applying NVIDIA_glx-glheader.patch ...
> Applying NVIDIA_i2c-hwmon.patch ...
> Converting NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0/usr/src/nv/Makefile.kbuild
> to use M= instead of SUBDIRS= ...
>
> INFO: compile
> Preparing nvidia module
>
> ERROR: compile
>
> ERROR: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09 failed.
> Call stack:
>               ebuild.sh, line   48:  Called src_compile
>             environment, line 3695:  Called linux-mod_src_compile
>             environment, line 2711:  Called die
> The specific snippet of code:
>               eval "emake HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)"               
>          CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}-                       
>  LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)"                         ${BUILD_FIXES}
>                         ${BUILD_PARAMS}                       
>  ${BUILD_TARGETS} " || die "Unable to emake HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)"
> CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}- LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)" ${BUILD_FIXES}
> ${BUILD_PARAMS} ${BUILD_TARGETS}";
>  The die message:
>   Unable to emake HOSTCC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
> CROSS_COMPILE=i686-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS=  IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1
> SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux         SYSOUT=/usr/src/linux
> HOST_CC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
>
> If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack
> if relevant.
> A complete build log is located at
> '/var/log/portage/elog/x11-drivers:nvidia-drivers-173.14.09:20090331-205939.log'.
> The ebuild environment file is located at
> '/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/temp/environment'.
>
>

I just want to have my GUI and a newer kernel please.  :-)

Thanks much.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Maximilian Bräutigam]

Hi Dale,

currently I am runnning nvidia-drivers-173.14.15 for my FX-5600 and
kernel version x86_64-2.6.27-gentoo-r8.

I don't know, if the driver 173.14.15 works for you, but if it does,
than kernel 2.6.27 might me a solution.

kind regards,
der Max

Am Mittwoch, den 01.04.2009, 00:15 -0500 schrieb Dale:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm trying to upgrade to the newer kernel, namely
> gentoo-sources-2.6.29.  It seems the drivers won't build against that
> kernel or the drivers that do build won't let X come up.  How do I find
> out what drivers are compatible with what kernels and my old card? 
> Currently, I am using nvidia-drivers-173.14.09 with
> gentoo-sources-2.6.23-gentoo-r8 which are quite old.  From my google
> search it seems that is the last version that works with the old video card.
> 
> The drivers I am currently using works fine for me with my old kernel. 
> It just doesn't build against the newer kernel or it fails to let the
> GUI come up.  Any magic tricks?  Anybody with a 2.6.29 kernel and a
> FX-5200 card care to share what version of drivers they are using?  ;-)
> 
> I think this is the error log for trying to build the current video
> drivers against the newer kernel:
> 
> > INFO: setup
> > Determining the location of the kernel source code
> > Found kernel source directory:
> >     /usr/src/linux
> > Found sources for kernel version:
> >     2.6.29-gentoo
> > Checking for MTRR support ...
> > Checking for Paravirtualized guest support ...
> >
> > INFO: unpack
> > Applying NVIDIA_glx-defines.patch ...
> > Applying NVIDIA_glx-glheader.patch ...
> > Applying NVIDIA_i2c-hwmon.patch ...
> > Converting NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0/usr/src/nv/Makefile.kbuild
> > to use M= instead of SUBDIRS= ...
> >
> > INFO: compile
> > Preparing nvidia module
> >
> > ERROR: compile
> >
> > ERROR: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09 failed.
> > Call stack:
> >               ebuild.sh, line   48:  Called src_compile
> >             environment, line 3695:  Called linux-mod_src_compile
> >             environment, line 2711:  Called die
> > The specific snippet of code:
> >               eval "emake HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)"               
> >          CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}-                       
> >  LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)"                         ${BUILD_FIXES}
> >                         ${BUILD_PARAMS}                       
> >  ${BUILD_TARGETS} " || die "Unable to emake HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)"
> > CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}- LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)" ${BUILD_FIXES}
> > ${BUILD_PARAMS} ${BUILD_TARGETS}";
> >  The die message:
> >   Unable to emake HOSTCC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
> > CROSS_COMPILE=i686-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS=  IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1
> > SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux         SYSOUT=/usr/src/linux
> > HOST_CC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
> >
> > If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack
> > if relevant.
> > A complete build log is located at
> > '/var/log/portage/elog/x11-drivers:nvidia-drivers-173.14.09:20090331-205939.log'.
> > The ebuild environment file is located at
> > '/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/temp/environment'.
> >
> >
> 
> I just want to have my GUI and a newer kernel please.  :-)
> 
> Thanks much.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
-- 
Maximilian Bräutigam
max-braeu@gmx.de
www.chemie.uni-jena.de/jcf

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Dale]

Maximilian Bräutigam wrote:
> Hi Dale,
>
> currently I am runnning nvidia-drivers-173.14.15 for my FX-5600 and
> kernel version x86_64-2.6.27-gentoo-r8.
>
> I don't know, if the driver 173.14.15 works for you, but if it does,
> than kernel 2.6.27 might me a solution.
>
> kind regards,
> der Max
>
>   

I was hoping to jump up to the latest kernel but I did make a note of
this just in case.  I suspect that something is just wrong or I have a
wrong version of something and there is a conflict or hopefully
something simple I missed.

Thanks for the idea.  Will keep that in mind.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Dale]

Maximilian Bräutigam wrote:
> Hi Dale,
>
> currently I am runnning nvidia-drivers-173.14.15 for my FX-5600 and
> kernel version x86_64-2.6.27-gentoo-r8.
>
> I don't know, if the driver 173.14.15 works for you, but if it does,
> than kernel 2.6.27 might me a solution.
>
> kind regards,
> der Max
>
>   

OK.  This error looks different:

root@smoker / # emerge nvidia-drivers
Calculating dependencies... done!

>>> Verifying ebuild manifests

>>> Emerging (1 of 1) x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09
 * NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0.run RMD160 SHA1 SHA256 size ;-)
...                                               [ ok ]
 * checking ebuild checksums ;-)
...                                                                                
[ ok ]
 * checking auxfile checksums ;-)
...                                                                               
[ ok ]
 * checking miscfile checksums ;-)
...                                                                              
[ ok ]
 * Determining the location of the kernel source code
 * Found kernel source directory:
 *     /usr/src/linux
 * Found sources for kernel version:
 *     2.6.29-gentoo
 * Checking for MTRR support
...                                                                                     
[ ok ]
 * Checking for Paravirtualized guest support ...
>>> Unpacking source...
Creating directory NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0
Verifying archive integrity... OK
Uncompressing NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86
173.14.09....................................................................................................................................
 * Applying NVIDIA_glx-defines.patch
...                                                                             
[ ok ]
 * Applying NVIDIA_glx-glheader.patch
...                                                                            
[ ok ]
 * Applying NVIDIA_i2c-hwmon.patch
...                                                                               
[ ok ]
 * Converting NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0/usr/src/nv/Makefile.kbuild
to use M= instead of SUBDIRS= ...            [ ok ]
>>> Source unpacked in
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/work
>>> Compiling source in
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/work/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0
...
 * Preparing nvidia module
make -j3 HOSTCC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc CROSS_COMPILE=i686-pc-linux-gnu-
LDFLAGS= IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux
SYSOUT=/usr/src/linux HOST_CC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
If you are using a Linux 2.4 kernel, please make sure
you either have configured kernel sources matching your
kernel or the correct set of kernel headers installed
on your system.

If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure
you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel
installed on your system. If you specified a separate
output directory using either the "KBUILD_OUTPUT" or
the "O" KBUILD parameter, make sure to specify this
directory with the SYSOUT environment variable or with
the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option.

Depending on where and how the kernel sources (or the
kernel headers) were installed, you may need to specify
their location with the SYSSRC environment variable or
the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option.

*** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***

make: *** [select_makefile] Error 1
 *
 * ERROR: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *               ebuild.sh, line   48:  Called src_compile
 *             environment, line 3695:  Called linux-mod_src_compile
 *             environment, line 2711:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *               eval "emake
HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)"                                                
CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}-                                            
LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)"                                           
${BUILD_FIXES}                                             
${BUILD_PARAMS}                                                
${BUILD_TARGETS} " || die "Unable to emake HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)"
CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}- LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)" ${BUILD_FIXES}
${BUILD_PARAMS} ${BUILD_TARGETS}";
 *  The die message:
 *   Unable to emake HOSTCC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
CROSS_COMPILE=i686-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS=  IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1
SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux               SYSOUT=/usr/src/linux
HOST_CC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
 *
 * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack
if relevant.
 * A complete build log is located at
'/var/log/portage/elog/x11-drivers:nvidia-drivers-173.14.09:20090401-103106.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/temp/environment'.
 *

>>> Failed to emerge x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09, Log file:

>>> 
'/var/log/portage/elog/x11-drivers:nvidia-drivers-173.14.09:20090401-103106.log'
root@smoker / #


Does that look different to anyone else?  Also, here is my emerge --info
just in case:


root@smoker / # emerge --info
Portage 2.2_rc28 (default/linux/x86/2008.0/desktop, gcc-4.1.2,
glibc-2.8_p20080602-r1, 2.6.23-gentoo-r8 i686)
=================================================================
System uname:
Linux-2.6.23-gentoo-r8-i686-AMD_Athlon-tm-_XP_2500+-with-glibc2.0
Timestamp of tree: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:15:01 +0000
app-shells/bash:     3.2_p39
dev-java/java-config: 2.1.7
dev-lang/python:     2.5.2-r7
dev-util/cmake:      2.6.3
sys-apps/baselayout: 1.12.11.1
sys-apps/sandbox:    1.2.18.1-r2
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.63
sys-devel/automake:  1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10.2
sys-devel/binutils:  2.18-r3
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.0-r4
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.26
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.27-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86"
CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config
/usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/share/config /var/lib/hsqldb"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d
/etc/env.d/java/ /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/revdep-rebuild
/etc/terminfo /etc/udev/rules.d"
CXXFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--with-bdeps y"
FEATURES="buildsyspkg distlocks fixpackages parallel-fetch preserve-libs
protect-owned sandbox sfperms strict unmerge-orphans userfetch"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="ftp://gentoo.chem.wisc.edu/gentoo/
ftp://lug.mtu.edu/gentoo/ "
LANG="en_US"
LC_ALL="en_US.utf8"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1"
LINGUAS="en_US en"
MAKEOPTS="-j3"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT="/"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS="--timeout=600"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times
--compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180
--exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.namerica.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE="3dnow X acl acpi alsa amd arts artswrappersuid automount berkdb
bzip2 cairo cddb cdr chroot cli cracklib crypt cups curl dbus dri dvd
dvdr dvdread eds emboss encode esd evo exif fam fdftk fortran gdbm gif
gimp gkrellm gphoto2 gpm gstreamer gtk hal hbci htmlhandbook iconv ipv6
isdnlog java javascript jbig jpeg jpeg2k justify kde kdeprefix ldap
libnotify libwww logrotate loop-aes mad midi mikmod mmx mp3 mpeg mplayer
mudflap ncurses nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ofx ogg opengl openmp
pam parport pcre pdf perl png ppds pppd python qt3 qt3support qt4
quicktime readline realmedia reflection sdl seamonkey session spell spl
sqlite sse ssl startup-notification svg sysfs syslog tcl tcpd tiff tk
truetype unicode usb vorbis webkit win32codecs wma wmf wmp x86 xml xorg
xprint xv yahoo zeroconf zlib" ALSA_CARDS="emu10k1"
ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS="adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug
file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mmap_emul mulaw
multi null plug rate route share shm softvol" CAMERAS="canon ptp2"
ELIBC="glibc" INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse evdev" KERNEL="linux"
LINGUAS="en_US en" USERLAND="GNU" VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia nv"
Unset:  CPPFLAGS, CTARGET, FFLAGS, INSTALL_MASK, PORTAGE_COMPRESS,
PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY

root@smoker / #   


Thanks much.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Maximilian Bräutigam]

hi,

are you sure that you have configured your kernel correctly according to
the Gentoo Linux nVidia Guide?

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml

kind regards,
der Max

Am Mittwoch, den 01.04.2009, 05:34 -0500 schrieb Dale:
> Maximilian Bräutigam wrote:
> > Hi Dale,
> >
> > currently I am runnning nvidia-drivers-173.14.15 for my FX-5600 and
> > kernel version x86_64-2.6.27-gentoo-r8.
> >
> > I don't know, if the driver 173.14.15 works for you, but if it does,
> > than kernel 2.6.27 might me a solution.
> >
> > kind regards,
> > der Max
> >
> >   
> 
> OK.  This error looks different:
> 
> root@smoker / # emerge nvidia-drivers
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> >>> Verifying ebuild manifests
> 
> >>> Emerging (1 of 1) x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09
>  * NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0.run RMD160 SHA1 SHA256 size ;-)
> ...                                               [ ok ]
>  * checking ebuild checksums ;-)
> ...                                                                                
> [ ok ]
>  * checking auxfile checksums ;-)
> ...                                                                               
> [ ok ]
>  * checking miscfile checksums ;-)
> ...                                                                              
> [ ok ]
>  * Determining the location of the kernel source code
>  * Found kernel source directory:
>  *     /usr/src/linux
>  * Found sources for kernel version:
>  *     2.6.29-gentoo
>  * Checking for MTRR support
> ...                                                                                     
> [ ok ]
>  * Checking for Paravirtualized guest support ...
> >>> Unpacking source...
> Creating directory NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0
> Verifying archive integrity... OK
> Uncompressing NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86
> 173.14.09....................................................................................................................................
>  * Applying NVIDIA_glx-defines.patch
> ...                                                                             
> [ ok ]
>  * Applying NVIDIA_glx-glheader.patch
> ...                                                                            
> [ ok ]
>  * Applying NVIDIA_i2c-hwmon.patch
> ...                                                                               
> [ ok ]
>  * Converting NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0/usr/src/nv/Makefile.kbuild
> to use M= instead of SUBDIRS= ...            [ ok ]
> >>> Source unpacked in
> /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/work
> >>> Compiling source in
> /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/work/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0
> ...
>  * Preparing nvidia module
> make -j3 HOSTCC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc CROSS_COMPILE=i686-pc-linux-gnu-
> LDFLAGS= IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux
> SYSOUT=/usr/src/linux HOST_CC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
> If you are using a Linux 2.4 kernel, please make sure
> you either have configured kernel sources matching your
> kernel or the correct set of kernel headers installed
> on your system.
> 
> If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure
> you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel
> installed on your system. If you specified a separate
> output directory using either the "KBUILD_OUTPUT" or
> the "O" KBUILD parameter, make sure to specify this
> directory with the SYSOUT environment variable or with
> the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option.
> 
> Depending on where and how the kernel sources (or the
> kernel headers) were installed, you may need to specify
> their location with the SYSSRC environment variable or
> the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option.
> 
> *** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***
> 
> make: *** [select_makefile] Error 1
>  *
>  * ERROR: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09 failed.
>  * Call stack:
>  *               ebuild.sh, line   48:  Called src_compile
>  *             environment, line 3695:  Called linux-mod_src_compile
>  *             environment, line 2711:  Called die
>  * The specific snippet of code:
>  *               eval "emake
> HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)"                                                
> CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}-                                            
> LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)"                                           
> ${BUILD_FIXES}                                             
> ${BUILD_PARAMS}                                                
> ${BUILD_TARGETS} " || die "Unable to emake HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)"
> CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}- LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)" ${BUILD_FIXES}
> ${BUILD_PARAMS} ${BUILD_TARGETS}";
>  *  The die message:
>  *   Unable to emake HOSTCC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
> CROSS_COMPILE=i686-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS=  IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1
> SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux               SYSOUT=/usr/src/linux
> HOST_CC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
>  *
>  * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack
> if relevant.
>  * A complete build log is located at
> '/var/log/portage/elog/x11-drivers:nvidia-drivers-173.14.09:20090401-103106.log'.
>  * The ebuild environment file is located at
> '/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/temp/environment'.
>  *
> 
> >>> Failed to emerge x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09, Log file:
> 
> >>> 
> '/var/log/portage/elog/x11-drivers:nvidia-drivers-173.14.09:20090401-103106.log'
> root@smoker / #
> 
> 
> Does that look different to anyone else?  Also, here is my emerge --info
> just in case:
> 
> 
> root@smoker / # emerge --info
> Portage 2.2_rc28 (default/linux/x86/2008.0/desktop, gcc-4.1.2,
> glibc-2.8_p20080602-r1, 2.6.23-gentoo-r8 i686)
> =================================================================
> System uname:
> Linux-2.6.23-gentoo-r8-i686-AMD_Athlon-tm-_XP_2500+-with-glibc2.0
> Timestamp of tree: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:15:01 +0000
> app-shells/bash:     3.2_p39
> dev-java/java-config: 2.1.7
> dev-lang/python:     2.5.2-r7
> dev-util/cmake:      2.6.3
> sys-apps/baselayout: 1.12.11.1
> sys-apps/sandbox:    1.2.18.1-r2
> sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.63
> sys-devel/automake:  1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10.2
> sys-devel/binutils:  2.18-r3
> sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.0-r4
> sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.26
> virtual/os-headers:  2.6.27-r2
> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86"
> CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
> CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
> CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
> CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config
> /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/share/config /var/lib/hsqldb"
> CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d
> /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/revdep-rebuild
> /etc/terminfo /etc/udev/rules.d"
> CXXFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
> DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--with-bdeps y"
> FEATURES="buildsyspkg distlocks fixpackages parallel-fetch preserve-libs
> protect-owned sandbox sfperms strict unmerge-orphans userfetch"
> GENTOO_MIRRORS="ftp://gentoo.chem.wisc.edu/gentoo/
> ftp://lug.mtu.edu/gentoo/ "
> LANG="en_US"
> LC_ALL="en_US.utf8"
> LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1"
> LINGUAS="en_US en"
> MAKEOPTS="-j3"
> PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
> PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT="/"
> PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS="--timeout=600"
> PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times
> --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180
> --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages"
> PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
> PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
> SYNC="rsync://rsync.namerica.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
> USE="3dnow X acl acpi alsa amd arts artswrappersuid automount berkdb
> bzip2 cairo cddb cdr chroot cli cracklib crypt cups curl dbus dri dvd
> dvdr dvdread eds emboss encode esd evo exif fam fdftk fortran gdbm gif
> gimp gkrellm gphoto2 gpm gstreamer gtk hal hbci htmlhandbook iconv ipv6
> isdnlog java javascript jbig jpeg jpeg2k justify kde kdeprefix ldap
> libnotify libwww logrotate loop-aes mad midi mikmod mmx mp3 mpeg mplayer
> mudflap ncurses nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ofx ogg opengl openmp
> pam parport pcre pdf perl png ppds pppd python qt3 qt3support qt4
> quicktime readline realmedia reflection sdl seamonkey session spell spl
> sqlite sse ssl startup-notification svg sysfs syslog tcl tcpd tiff tk
> truetype unicode usb vorbis webkit win32codecs wma wmf wmp x86 xml xorg
> xprint xv yahoo zeroconf zlib" ALSA_CARDS="emu10k1"
> ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS="adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug
> file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mmap_emul mulaw
> multi null plug rate route share shm softvol" CAMERAS="canon ptp2"
> ELIBC="glibc" INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse evdev" KERNEL="linux"
> LINGUAS="en_US en" USERLAND="GNU" VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia nv"
> Unset:  CPPFLAGS, CTARGET, FFLAGS, INSTALL_MASK, PORTAGE_COMPRESS,
> PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY
> 
> root@smoker / #   
> 
> 
> Thanks much.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
-- 
Maximilian Bräutigam
max-braeu@gmx.de
www.chemie.uni-jena.de/jcf

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Dale]

Maximilian Bräutigam wrote:
> hi,
>
> are you sure that you have configured your kernel correctly according to
> the Gentoo Linux nVidia Guide?
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml
>
> kind regards,
> der Max
>
>   

Well, I copied my old config over and ran make oldconfig.  I did try to
boot it earlier and it does a kernel panic so something is not right
somewhere.  I'll check through the link you posted and reconfigure my
kernel and see what happens.

Thanks for the link.  Will check in later.  It seems there are more
issues than just nvidia. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[KH]

Maximilian Bräutigam schrieb:
> hi,
>
> are you sure that you have configured your kernel correctly according to
> the Gentoo Linux nVidia Guide?
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml
>
> kind regards,
> der Max
>
> Am Mittwoch, den 01.04.2009, 05:34 -0500 schrieb Dale:
>   
>> Maximilian Bräutigam wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Dale,
>>>
>>> currently I am runnning nvidia-drivers-173.14.15 for my FX-5600 and
>>> kernel version x86_64-2.6.27-gentoo-r8.
>>>
>>>       
[snip]

Hi,

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Dale]

Maximilian Bräutigam wrote:
> hi,
>
> are you sure that you have configured your kernel correctly according to
> the Gentoo Linux nVidia Guide?
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml
>
> kind regards,
> der Max
>
>   

I double checked my config with the guide and it appears everything is
correct.  Just in case there is a change that I don't see, here is the
current error message from the start:

root@smoker /usr/src/linux # emerge nvidia-drivers
Calculating dependencies... done!

>>> Verifying ebuild manifests

>>> Emerging (1 of 1) x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09
 * NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0.run RMD160 SHA1 SHA256 size ;-)
...                                               [ ok ]
 * checking ebuild checksums ;-)
...                                                                                
[ ok ]
 * checking auxfile checksums ;-)
...                                                                               
[ ok ]
 * checking miscfile checksums ;-)
...                                                                              
[ ok ]
 * Determining the location of the kernel source code
 * Found kernel source directory:
 *     /usr/src/linux
 * Found sources for kernel version:
 *     2.6.29-gentoo
 * Checking for MTRR support
...                                                                                     
[ ok ]
 * Checking for Paravirtualized guest support ...
>>> Unpacking source...
Creating directory NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0
Verifying archive integrity... OK
Uncompressing NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86
173.14.09....................................................................................................................................
 * Applying NVIDIA_glx-defines.patch
...                                                                             
[ ok ]
 * Applying NVIDIA_glx-glheader.patch
...                                                                            
[ ok ]
 * Applying NVIDIA_i2c-hwmon.patch
...                                                                               
[ ok ]
 * Converting NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0/usr/src/nv/Makefile.kbuild
to use M= instead of SUBDIRS= ...            [ ok ]
>>> Source unpacked in
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/work
>>> Compiling source in
/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/work/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0
...
 * Preparing nvidia module
make -j3 HOSTCC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc CROSS_COMPILE=i686-pc-linux-gnu-
LDFLAGS= IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1 SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux
SYSOUT=/usr/src/linux HOST_CC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
If you are using a Linux 2.4 kernel, please make sure
you either have configured kernel sources matching your
kernel or the correct set of kernel headers installed
on your system.

If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure
you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel
installed on your system. If you specified a separate
output directory using either the "KBUILD_OUTPUT" or
the "O" KBUILD parameter, make sure to specify this
directory with the SYSOUT environment variable or with
the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option.

Depending on where and how the kernel sources (or the
kernel headers) were installed, you may need to specify
their location with the SYSSRC environment variable or
the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option.

*** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***

make: *** [select_makefile] Error 1
 *
 * ERROR: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *               ebuild.sh, line   48:  Called src_compile
 *             environment, line 3695:  Called linux-mod_src_compile
 *             environment, line 2711:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *               eval "emake
HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)"                                                
CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}-                                            
LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)"                                           
${BUILD_FIXES}                                             
${BUILD_PARAMS}                                                
${BUILD_TARGETS} " || die "Unable to emake HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)"
CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}- LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)" ${BUILD_FIXES}
${BUILD_PARAMS} ${BUILD_TARGETS}";
 *  The die message:
 *   Unable to emake HOSTCC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
CROSS_COMPILE=i686-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS=  IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1
SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux               SYSOUT=/usr/src/linux
HOST_CC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
 *
 * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack
if relevant.
 * A complete build log is located at
'/var/log/portage/elog/x11-drivers:nvidia-drivers-173.14.09:20090401-120715.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/temp/environment'.
 *

>>> Failed to emerge x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09, Log file:

>>> 
'/var/log/portage/elog/x11-drivers:nvidia-drivers-173.14.09:20090401-120715.log'
root@smoker /usr/src/linux #


The part that I notice is this, "*** Unable to determine the target
kernel version. ***" which is odd since my symlink is correct and I have
compiled a nice new kernel.  I have not yet booted it tho. 

What am I missing here?  I have never had this much trouble upgrading a
kernel or nvidia.

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[zhen]

Maximilian Bräutigam wrote:
> hi,
> 
> are you sure that you have configured your kernel correctly according to
> the Gentoo Linux nVidia Guide?
> 
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml
> 
> kind regards,
> der Max
> 

Thank you for the reference! I've read the guide and now my combination
(nvidia 5200 + kernel-2.6.27-r8 + nvidia-drivers-173.14.15) is working fine.

Best regards,
Evgeniy B.

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[zhen]

Hi,
5200 is also my card and I have recently tested it with latest nvidia
driver - it doesn't work with latest stable kernel 2.6.27-r8. I've had
to roll back to my old nv driver.

Best regards,
Evgeniy B.

Dale wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm trying to upgrade to the newer kernel, namely
> gentoo-sources-2.6.29.  It seems the drivers won't build against that
> kernel or the drivers that do build won't let X come up.  How do I find
> out what drivers are compatible with what kernels and my old card? 
> Currently, I am using nvidia-drivers-173.14.09 with
> gentoo-sources-2.6.23-gentoo-r8 which are quite old.  From my google
> search it seems that is the last version that works with the old video card.
> 
> The drivers I am currently using works fine for me with my old kernel. 
> It just doesn't build against the newer kernel or it fails to let the
> GUI come up.  Any magic tricks?  Anybody with a 2.6.29 kernel and a
> FX-5200 card care to share what version of drivers they are using?  ;-)
> 
> I think this is the error log for trying to build the current video
> drivers against the newer kernel:
> 
>> INFO: setup
>> Determining the location of the kernel source code
>> Found kernel source directory:
>>     /usr/src/linux
>> Found sources for kernel version:
>>     2.6.29-gentoo
>> Checking for MTRR support ...
>> Checking for Paravirtualized guest support ...
>>
>> INFO: unpack
>> Applying NVIDIA_glx-defines.patch ...
>> Applying NVIDIA_glx-glheader.patch ...
>> Applying NVIDIA_i2c-hwmon.patch ...
>> Converting NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg0/usr/src/nv/Makefile.kbuild
>> to use M= instead of SUBDIRS= ...
>>
>> INFO: compile
>> Preparing nvidia module
>>
>> ERROR: compile
>>
>> ERROR: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09 failed.
>> Call stack:
>>               ebuild.sh, line   48:  Called src_compile
>>             environment, line 3695:  Called linux-mod_src_compile
>>             environment, line 2711:  Called die
>> The specific snippet of code:
>>               eval "emake HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)"               
>>          CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}-                       
>>  LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)"                         ${BUILD_FIXES}
>>                         ${BUILD_PARAMS}                       
>>  ${BUILD_TARGETS} " || die "Unable to emake HOSTCC="$(tc-getBUILD_CC)"
>> CROSS_COMPILE=${CHOST}- LDFLAGS="$(get_abi_LDFLAGS)" ${BUILD_FIXES}
>> ${BUILD_PARAMS} ${BUILD_TARGETS}";
>>  The die message:
>>   Unable to emake HOSTCC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
>> CROSS_COMPILE=i686-pc-linux-gnu- LDFLAGS=  IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=yes V=1
>> SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux         SYSOUT=/usr/src/linux
>> HOST_CC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc clean module
>>
>> If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack
>> if relevant.
>> A complete build log is located at
>> '/var/log/portage/elog/x11-drivers:nvidia-drivers-173.14.09:20090331-205939.log'.
>> The ebuild environment file is located at
>> '/var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/temp/environment'.
>>
>>
> 
> I just want to have my GUI and a newer kernel please.  :-)
> 
> Thanks much.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Dale]

zhen wrote:
> Hi,
> 5200 is also my card and I have recently tested it with latest nvidia
> driver - it doesn't work with latest stable kernel 2.6.27-r8. I've had
> to roll back to my old nv driver.
>
> Best regards,
> Evgeniy B.
>
>   

Do you, or anyone, know if this is a kernel thing or is this a nvidia
driver thing?  Something is amiss somewhere.  While I am stable using
this old kernel and I don't mind using the old driver with a new kernel,
I would like to keep my kernel up to date.  We have storms coming
through in the next few days and I will be rebooting a good bit anyway
so I would like to get this upgrade done.  I just don't know where the
problem lies, kernel on nvidia driver.

Any thoughts?

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[zhen]

Dale wrote:
> zhen wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 5200 is also my card and I have recently tested it with latest nvidia
>> driver - it doesn't work with latest stable kernel 2.6.27-r8. I've had
>> to roll back to my old nv driver.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Evgeniy B.
>>
>>   
> 
> Do you, or anyone, know if this is a kernel thing or is this a nvidia
> driver thing?  Something is amiss somewhere.  While I am stable using
> this old kernel and I don't mind using the old driver with a new kernel,
> I would like to keep my kernel up to date.  We have storms coming
> through in the next few days and I will be rebooting a good bit anyway
> so I would like to get this upgrade done.  I just don't know where the
> problem lies, kernel on nvidia driver.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 
Hmm, honestly I don't now. As I remember I've got a message saying my
card was old and emerge has tried to roll back (after that I've had to
relink some openGl references by hand). I've thought: 5200 was a card
not powerful enough so why I would bother about particular driver
whether it was nvidia or nv? :)

Best regards,
Evgeniy B.

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[KH]

zhen schrieb:
> Hi,
> 5200 is also my card and I have recently tested it with latest nvidia
> driver - it doesn't work with latest stable kernel 2.6.27-r8. I've had
> to roll back to my old nv driver.
>
> Best regards,
> Evgeniy B.
>
> Dale wrote:
>   
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I'm trying to upgrade to the newer kernel, namely
>> gentoo-sources-2.6.29.  It seems the drivers won't build against that
>> kernel or the drivers that do build won't let X come up.  How do I find
[snip]

Hi,

Q: Why is top-posting evil?
A: .backwards read don't humans because

[gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[James]

KH <gentoo-user <at> konstantinhansen.de> writes:



> Q: Why is top-posting evil?
> A: .backwards read don't humans because

Well, about 98% of linux folks like the
ease of reading and following the thread
down the posting.  It's also just a standard
convention, not often follow in the windoz
world.


<real big clue>  Top posting really pisses
off most of the really smart gentoo folks;

postulate:
If you top post, when you need their help, your
gonna get ignored....


caveat emptor

PS this "changing of the subject" or 
thread hijacking, also pisses off the
same folks.....


hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Dale]

James wrote:
> KH <gentoo-user <at> konstantinhansen.de> writes:
>
>
>
>   
>> Q: Why is top-posting evil?
>> A: .backwards read don't humans because
>>     
>
> Well, about 98% of linux folks like the
> ease of reading and following the thread
> down the posting.  It's also just a standard
> convention, not often follow in the windoz
> world.
>
>
> <real big clue>  Top posting really pisses
> off most of the really smart gentoo folks;
>
> postulate:
> If you top post, when you need their help, your
> gonna get ignored....
>
>
> caveat emptor
>
> PS this "changing of the subject" or 
> thread hijacking, also pisses off the
> same folks.....
>
>
> hth,
> James
>   

OK.  Everyone that hates top posting please reply with a +1.  I'll start.

+1  No top posting please.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Mike Kazantsev]

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On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:43:21 -0500
Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> > KH <gentoo-user <at> konstantinhansen.de> writes:
> >   
> >> Q: Why is top-posting evil?
> >> A: .backwards read don't humans because
> 
> OK.  Everyone that hates top posting please reply with a +1.  I'll start.
> 
> +1  No top posting please.

I think that whole top-posting topic is getting just ridiculous in this
list. Prehaps we should rename it to "bottom-posting guidelines" list,
or something like that.

-- 
Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 02 April 2009 06:16:37 Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:43:21 -0500
>
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > KH <gentoo-user <at> konstantinhansen.de> writes:
> > >> Q: Why is top-posting evil?
> > >> A: .backwards read don't humans because
> >
> > OK.  Everyone that hates top posting please reply with a +1.  I'll start.
> >
> > +1  No top posting please.
>
> I think that whole top-posting topic is getting just ridiculous in this
> list. Prehaps we should rename it to "bottom-posting guidelines" list,
> or something like that.

Oh that's easy to fix.

Just do what the majority of people here with a clue want. Don't top post.

Except Blackberry users, they can't avoid it.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Thursday 02 April 2009 06:16:37 Mike Kazantsev wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:43:21 -0500
>>
>> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>>> KH <gentoo-user <at> konstantinhansen.de> writes:
>>>>         
>>>>> Q: Why is top-posting evil?
>>>>> A: .backwards read don't humans because
>>>>>           
>>> OK.  Everyone that hates top posting please reply with a +1.  I'll start.
>>>
>>> +1  No top posting please.
>>>       
>> I think that whole top-posting topic is getting just ridiculous in this
>> list. Prehaps we should rename it to "bottom-posting guidelines" list,
>> or something like that.
>>     
>
> Oh that's easy to fix.
>
> Just do what the majority of people here with a clue want. Don't top post.
>
> Except Blackberry users, they can't avoid it.
>
>   

It's funny, when I first came here, people explained to me the
"unwritten rules" for the list.  From what I have seen since, those same
rules apply to all the other mailing lists I have seen.  I didn't
understand it then but after having to follow a post that bounces from
bottom to top then back to the bottom and then back to the top again, I
understand it very well.  While I hate scrolling to the bottom on
occasion, I also hate having to scroll back and forth several times too.

Over time, I agree with bottom posting.  It just makes sense.  I do top
post when mailing with friends or something since those discussions are
usually short but some problems here can require anywhere from half a
dozen to several dozen replies and multiple people to get them fixed. 
Then it can become a serious issue.

I do agree with the blackberry and some other devices that can't help
it.  We just use a shorter tree to hang them.  LOL  :-D  Mind your toes. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P. S.  I wonder if anyone here remembers when I first came here?  <
scratches head >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Mick]

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On Thursday 02 April 2009, Dale wrote:

> Over time, I agree with bottom posting.  It just makes sense. 

So does pruning endless lines of umpteen previous messages that have been 
answered and are not relevant to the latest message response ... (I am 
looking at you here Dale to make us proud next time).  ;-)

> P. S.  I wonder if anyone here remembers when I first came here?  <
> scratches head >

How can we forget ... <sigh>

 :D
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> So does pruning endless lines of umpteen previous messages that have been 
> answered and are not relevant to the latest message response ... (I am 
> looking at you here Dale to make us proud next time).  ;-)
>
>   
>
> How can we forget ... <sigh>
>
>  :D
>   

But I may take out something important.  :/  I try to do that but I am
getting older.  I forget. 

I guess I made a lasting impression, albeit bad I guess. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Mick]

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On Thursday 02 April 2009, Dale wrote:
> Mick wrote:

> > How can we forget ... <sigh>
> >
> >  :D
>
> But I may take out something important.  :/  I try to do that but I am
> getting older.  I forget.
>
> I guess I made a lasting impression, albeit bad I guess.

Nah!  Far from it, not to me anyway.  :)
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Momesso Andrea]

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On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:16:37AM +0600, Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:43:21 -0500
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > KH <gentoo-user <at> konstantinhansen.de> writes:
> > >   
> > >> Q: Why is top-posting evil?
> > >> A: .backwards read don't humans because
> > 
> > OK.  Everyone that hates top posting please reply with a +1.  I'll start.
> > 
> > +1  No top posting please.
> 
> I think that whole top-posting topic is getting just ridiculous in this
> list. Prehaps we should rename it to "bottom-posting guidelines" list,
> or something like that.
> 
I'm kinda bored of the "please no top posting" replies... Couldn't we
ask the infra staff (or whoever runs this mailing list) to periodically
send a "guidelines" message to all the subscribers, like it happens in
other mailing lists.

This way we could soimply ask top-posters to kindly follow the
guidelines.

---
TopperH
http://topperh.blogspot.com

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia drivers and a Geforce FX-5200 card.

[Dale]

Momesso Andrea wrote:
>
> I'm kinda bored of the "please no top posting" replies... Couldn't we
> ask the infra staff (or whoever runs this mailing list) to periodically
> send a "guidelines" message to all the subscribers, like it happens in
> other mailing lists.
>
> This way we could soimply ask top-posters to kindly follow the
> guidelines.
>
> ---
> TopperH
> http://topperh.blogspot.com
>   

+1  That would be great.  They could mention exceptions, those that
because of their device has to top post.

Dale

:-)  :-)