From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LjJXi-0004Zj-QN for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:36:15 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 22D10E00EF; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f173.google.com (mail-ew0-f173.google.com [209.85.219.173]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DA3E00EF for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy21 with SMTP id 21so3736631ewy.34 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:36:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=is1ddyTusFHM+Jej7vSZb5LEAMAjF4euK9uPYAx16lw=; b=vbJfPmygKFSkjYa+nZMYDKopQBSD1Jcohmw2bjrNaMS+faDB9LzH03KsWygdJQkJ2/ hYZ8LigqWVF9lJJcSoPJLXEOiP4U8VLhlgoiaH5azDdn8CzTbjRxyapqF1DcXY4IXrTI oBXad8VTSS9bYD5Wjh/CnQm3KWuqp/SnbLM8o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=uTJD/7CD1pzq3B+bMJKYz59QAfjD3EUUkAKBqLV3yKnn/TPAbAsJ4UUfWPara2aadd 8JaU5globl1grRBMPal4WlT2WcTFw5yddMGTQfFVDwyvRru6xl5BBNds7AWqsSs/6+TI endE6hm1K9C5iH89P8itFbYHt52r1FjYRqf+I= Received: by 10.216.9.81 with SMTP id 59mr1998867wes.181.1237235768994; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-210-153-198-rrdg-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.153.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i3sm1190603nfh.73.2009.03.16.13.36.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:36:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] udev-140 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:34:44 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.1 (Linux/2.6.28-gentoo-r2; KDE/4.2.1; x86_64; ; ) References: <200903162119.34651.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <200903162140.11506.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <58965d8a0903161320i21fa526dyc67d0859513116b5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <58965d8a0903161320i21fa526dyc67d0859513116b5@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200903162234.45021.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: f6f6a416-797a-44b4-9bb3-e5cdc87a09a5 X-Archives-Hash: 0efe8568f4abe7b202e694e15410e7d1 On Monday 16 March 2009 22:20:37 Paul Hartman wrote: > > I wouldn't really have minded the inconvenience, except that while all > > this was going on, the largest data centre in the Southern Hemisphere was > > dropping off the air one router at a time, my desktop machine was > > panicing after 4 minutes of use (so that's why I stopped using it 6 > > months ago!) and I had to use putty on the GF's Thinkpad to do my bit to > > rescue all this. Putty sucks, really badly. The only thing that sucks > > worse than Putty on Windows is Putty on Symbian, even on a Nokia > > Communicator with a semi-decent keyboard (for a phone) :-) > > What sucks about PuTTY on Windows? I use it all the time and it seems > to do everything... Granted, I just use it for simple serial port > devices and SSH stuff, no exotic terminal emulations. Putty itself isn't too bad if you look at it as a Windows app. It can never be anything other than a Windows app and as such is restricted to how Windows apps must behave. And therein is the problem - I'm way too used to openssh, I want a command line to fire up my ssh client, I want to 'ssh me@there' in a console and it must work. I don't want to have to poke around in a vast tree structure to enter my options - I know what they are, I just want to type them. Without a mouse. So Putty doesn't really suck in isolation. It does work and can really operate any different way. *Using* Putty on it's host platform sucks to someone who is used to much more efficient way to accomplish the same task. > PuTTY on Symbian only does SSH but it seems to do it well enough. > Running it full-screen with the smallest font is actually not so bad, > even on my 240x320 screen. Being able to connect to my computer > wherever I have a cellular signal is convenient... typing with T9 on a > numeric phone keypad, not so much... but that's the phone's fault, not > PuTTY's. :P I've been meaning to set up a simple menu script that > allows me to run all of my common tasks with phone-friendly > keystrokes. emerge -uDvptN blah blah blah really sucks to tap out on > the 0-9 keys :) Thank god for bash command history... On Symbian it's a life saver when all other methods fail. Again, Putty is OK, using the device is actually what sucks. I still can't find a pipe character! And the screen is almost unreadable (it wasn't three years ago...) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com