[gentoo-user] Portage and sets

[gentoo-user] Portage and sets

[Dale]

Hi

I'm wanting to experiment a little with the new sets feature of
portage.  I have searched around the forums, even looked at gentoo wiki
and read a few man pages.  I can not find a good link to a how to for
sets.  I would like to have a couple things if someone has them.  1) a
link to a good how to.  2) could someone send me a copy of a sets file
for something like KDE or something.  Just something I can use for a
template if you would.

Thanks much.  Oh, yea, I may be about to break something.  I got my
backups up to date tho.  o_O

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage and sets

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:10:47 -0600, Dale wrote:

>  could someone send me a copy of a sets file
> for something like KDE or something.  Just something I can use for a
> template if you would.

A sets file is just a list of packages, in the same format
as /var/lib/portage/world. A quick and dirty way to move your KDE
packages into a set

mkdir -p /etc/portage/sets
grep '^kde-base' /var/lib/portage/world >/etc/portage/sets/kde 
sed -i '/^kde-base/d' /var/lib/portage/world
echo '@kde' >>/var/lib/portage/world_sets


-- 
Neil Bothwick

A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small package.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Portage and sets

[AllenJB]

Hi,

Portage documentation:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~zmedico/portage/doc/portage.html

Built-in sets specification file:
/usr/share/portage/config/sets.conf

For KDE sets, check the sets directory in the kde-testing overlay:
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/kde.git;a=tree

User sets are specified in the /etc/portage/sets.conf file (doesn't 
exist by default).

AllenJB


Dale wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm wanting to experiment a little with the new sets feature of
> portage.  I have searched around the forums, even looked at gentoo wiki
> and read a few man pages.  I can not find a good link to a how to for
> sets.  I would like to have a couple things if someone has them.  1) a
> link to a good how to.  2) could someone send me a copy of a sets file
> for something like KDE or something.  Just something I can use for a
> template if you would.
> 
> Thanks much.  Oh, yea, I may be about to break something.  I got my
> backups up to date tho.  o_O
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage and sets

[AllenJB]

Hi again,

One more note. I recommend you use a prefix for your own sets, to avoid 
conflicts with official or overlay sets. ie. I call my kde-3.5 set: 
ajb-kde-3.5

While portage almost certainly has a system for handling conflicting 
sets (at a guess, probably user > overlay > official tree, the same way 
everything else goes), this removes any ambiguity.

AllenJB

Dale wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm wanting to experiment a little with the new sets feature of
> portage.  I have searched around the forums, even looked at gentoo wiki
> and read a few man pages.  I can not find a good link to a how to for
> sets.  I would like to have a couple things if someone has them.  1) a
> link to a good how to.  2) could someone send me a copy of a sets file
> for something like KDE or something.  Just something I can use for a
> template if you would.
> 
> Thanks much.  Oh, yea, I may be about to break something.  I got my
> backups up to date tho.  o_O
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage and sets

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Montag 23 Februar 2009, Dale wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm wanting to experiment a little with the new sets feature of
> portage.  I have searched around the forums, even looked at gentoo wiki
> and read a few man pages.  I can not find a good link to a how to for
> sets.  I would like to have a couple things if someone has them.  1) a
> link to a good how to.  2) could someone send me a copy of a sets file
> for something like KDE or something.  Just something I can use for a
> template if you would.
>
> Thanks much.  Oh, yea, I may be about to break something.  I got my
> backups up to date tho.  o_O
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)

put sets file in /etc/portage/sets

example:
cat /etc/portage/sets/qt-copy
=x11-libs/qt-assistant-4.4.9999
=x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.9999
=x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.4.9999
=x11-libs/qt-gui-4.4.9999
=x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.4.9999
=x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.4.9999
=x11-libs/qt-script-4.4.9999
=x11-libs/qt-sql-4.4.9999
=x11-libs/qt-svg-4.4.9999
=x11-libs/qt-test-4.4.9999
=x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.4.9999
=x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.4.9999

you are done. Really, there is no magic about sets. You put all the packet-
atoms you want into a file, put the file into /etc/portage/sets and emerge 
@setname. That's it.

Or look at this:
cat /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-testing/sets/kde-4.2
# We don't include kdesdk on the global set
kde-base/kdelibs:4.2
kde-base/kdepimlibs:4.2
kde-base/kate:4.2
kde-base/kdeplasma-addons:4.2
kde-base/kde-l10n:4.2

@kdeaccessibility-4.2
@kdeadmin-4.2
@kdeartwork-4.2
@kdebase-4.2
@kdeedu-4.2
@kdegames-4.2
@kdegraphics-4.2
@kdemultimedia-4.2
@kdenetwork-4.2
@kdepim-4.2
@kdetoys-4.2
@kdeutils-4.2

#for developers
#@kdebindings-4.2
#@kdesdk-4.2
#@kdewebdev-4.2

so as you can see - a set can be create out of other sets.

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage and sets

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 23 February 2009 11:10:47 Dale wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm wanting to experiment a little with the new sets feature of
> portage.  I have searched around the forums, even looked at gentoo wiki
> and read a few man pages.  I can not find a good link to a how to for
> sets.  I would like to have a couple things if someone has them.  1) a
> link to a good how to.  2) could someone send me a copy of a sets file
> for something like KDE or something.  Just something I can use for a
> template if you would.
>
> Thanks much.  Oh, yea, I may be about to break something.  I got my
> backups up to date tho.  o_O

Sets are easy :-) For kde, you get a ton of set files if you add the kde-
testing overlay. For instance, the kde-4.2 set looks like this:

$ cat /var/portage/local/layman/kde-testing/sets/kde-4.2
# We don't include kdesdk on the global set
kde-base/kdelibs:4.2
kde-base/kdepimlibs:4.2
kde-base/kate:4.2
kde-base/kdeplasma-addons:4.2
kde-base/kde-l10n:4.2

@kdeaccessibility-4.2
@kdeadmin-4.2
@kdeartwork-4.2
@kdebase-4.2
@kdeedu-4.2
@kdegames-4.2
@kdegraphics-4.2
@kdemultimedia-4.2
@kdenetwork-4.2
@kdepim-4.2
@kdetoys-4.2
@kdeutils-4.2

#for developers
#@kdebindings-4.2
#@kdesdk-4.2
#@kdewebdev-4.2



So it's nothing more than a bunch of conventional portage atoms, one per line.
I made some of my own for enlightenment-17. The main set is e17 and looks like 
so:

$ cat /etc/portage/sets/e17
@e17-libs
@e17-apps
@e17-modules
@e17-odds


A set can include other sets, that's what the leading '@' does. From the above 
I also have a set called 'e17-libs' which looks like so:

$ cat /etc/portage/sets/e17-libs
dev-db/edb
media-libs/imlib2
dev-libs/eina
dev-libs/eet
x11-libs/evas
x11-libs/e_dbus
x11-libs/ecore
dev-libs/efreet
dev-libs/embryo
media-libs/edje
media-libs/epsilon
x11-libs/esmart
media-libs/emotion
x11-libs/etk
x11-libs/ewl
dev-libs/exml
dev-util/enhance


Obviously, those ebuilds must all exist. I get to maintain them by myself and 
make sure they work, but that has nothing to do with sets :-)

If you make your own sets, dump the files into /etc/portage/sets/ and emerge 
them like so:

emerge -av @e17

Portage will record that you installed a set and remembers it, but the package 
names do not go into your world file. Think of them as being dependencies of 
the set, so an update picks up and changes and emerges things as normal. If 
you find that you need to remove the KDE set, just run 'emerge -C @kde-4.2' 
and portage will unmerge the whole lot.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage and sets

[Dale]

AllenJB wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> One more note. I recommend you use a prefix for your own sets, to
> avoid conflicts with official or overlay sets. ie. I call my kde-3.5
> set: ajb-kde-3.5
>
> While portage almost certainly has a system for handling conflicting
> sets (at a guess, probably user > overlay > official tree, the same
> way everything else goes), this removes any ambiguity.
>
> AllenJB
>
That prefix sounds like a GOOD idea.  That could get confusing without
it for sure. 

Thanks

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage and sets

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Montag 23 Februar 2009, Dale wrote:
>   
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm wanting to experiment a little with the new sets feature of
>> portage.  I have searched around the forums, even looked at gentoo wiki
>> and read a few man pages.  I can not find a good link to a how to for
>> sets.  I would like to have a couple things if someone has them.  1) a
>> link to a good how to.  2) could someone send me a copy of a sets file
>> for something like KDE or something.  Just something I can use for a
>> template if you would.
>>
>> Thanks much.  Oh, yea, I may be about to break something.  I got my
>> backups up to date tho.  o_O
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>     
>
> put sets file in /etc/portage/sets
>
> example:
> cat /etc/portage/sets/qt-copy
> =x11-libs/qt-assistant-4.4.9999
> =x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.9999
> =x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.4.9999
> =x11-libs/qt-gui-4.4.9999
> =x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.4.9999
> =x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.4.9999
> =x11-libs/qt-script-4.4.9999
> =x11-libs/qt-sql-4.4.9999
> =x11-libs/qt-svg-4.4.9999
> =x11-libs/qt-test-4.4.9999
> =x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.4.9999
> =x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.4.9999
>
> you are done. Really, there is no magic about sets. You put all the packet-
> atoms you want into a file, put the file into /etc/portage/sets and emerge 
> @setname. That's it.
>
> Or look at this:
> cat /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-testing/sets/kde-4.2
> # We don't include kdesdk on the global set
> kde-base/kdelibs:4.2
> kde-base/kdepimlibs:4.2
> kde-base/kate:4.2
> kde-base/kdeplasma-addons:4.2
> kde-base/kde-l10n:4.2
>
> @kdeaccessibility-4.2
> @kdeadmin-4.2
> @kdeartwork-4.2
> @kdebase-4.2
> @kdeedu-4.2
> @kdegames-4.2
> @kdegraphics-4.2
> @kdemultimedia-4.2
> @kdenetwork-4.2
> @kdepim-4.2
> @kdetoys-4.2
> @kdeutils-4.2
>
> #for developers
> #@kdebindings-4.2
> #@kdesdk-4.2
> #@kdewebdev-4.2
>
> so as you can see - a set can be create out of other sets.
>
>
>   

Ahhh, so a specific version can be placed in there just like in the
world file.  Neato !!!

Lets say I have a set named dk-kde, with the prefix Allen suggested, and
I put kde-meta in that file.  Would that emerge all the KDE or just that
one package?  I emerged kde-meta to install KDE so that is all there is
in my world file right now.  I notice you have several kde packages in
your list.

I'm going to do some reading on the links already posted in a bit. 
Getting ready to cook a roast.  Got to peal taters, wash carrots and
slice up a onion. 

Thanks

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Portage and sets

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:03:10 -0600, Dale wrote:

> Lets say I have a set named dk-kde, with the prefix Allen suggested, and
> I put kde-meta in that file.  Would that emerge all the KDE or just that
> one package?  I emerged kde-meta to install KDE so that is all there is
> in my world file right now.  I notice you have several kde packages in
> your list.

Sets are a replacement for meta-packages, so your set would contain the
packages you need. If it did contain kde-meta, then it would install all
of KDE, because that is a dependency of kde-meta.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

One size fits all: Doesn't fit anyone.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Portage and sets

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:03:10 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> Lets say I have a set named dk-kde, with the prefix Allen suggested, and
>> I put kde-meta in that file.  Would that emerge all the KDE or just that
>> one package?  I emerged kde-meta to install KDE so that is all there is
>> in my world file right now.  I notice you have several kde packages in
>> your list.
>>     
>
> Sets are a replacement for meta-packages, so your set would contain the
> packages you need. If it did contain kde-meta, then it would install all
> of KDE, because that is a dependency of kde-meta.
>
>
>   


I tested this and noticed this.  If KDE is already installed, it only
emerges what is in the file.  Of course it would emerge everything if it
was a new install.  This is pretty cool tho.  I see a lot of
possibilities here.

I guess now I'm going to have to learn some of those other commands so
that I can get a list of dependencies and such but remove the stuff that
portage doesn't want in the file.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[James]

Neil Bothwick <neil <at> digimed.co.uk> writes:


> Sets are a replacement for meta-packages, so your set would contain the
> packages you need. If it did contain kde-meta, then it would install all
> of KDE, because that is a dependency of kde-meta.


OK, color me "dense", but, if we are assuming  there should be
a smooth (easy) transition from kde-meta to kde "sets" I'm 
missing something. The posted lists (sets) do not look anything
like the way kde-meta is organized.


Call it herd mentality, but I bet many of the current kde-meta
crowd would just love to have these sets defined for us
and we can choose which of these generic sets we want,
and then just build a set or 2 of our own. Then make a file
that lists those and all we have to do is emerge that file.
Poof done, kde-meta, simple fast and mostly like what other 
have, using gentoo defined sets for kde-4.2.x

Should we not have some standard, logical listing of
of the various kde packages, like the current categories 
for kde 3.5.x, only in set form? Sure folks could build there
own sets but if all you want is the old kde-meta (give or 
take a few application), in sets+kde.4.2.x form, there
should be some predefined sets for us?

That is to say, (more clearly I hope); when I go to the kde
button in 3.5.9, I get these categories:
Development
Entertainment
Games
Graphics
<snip>

So what aren't there pre-defined sets with this sort of grouping?
Thus the new kde-4.2.x would be a straight convert (except
for applications that are lost and/or gained) to ease the transition
to kde 4.2.x  using sets. Really, all I want is a similar setup
to kde-meta, via sets && Kde 4.2.x, without having to get
intimate with 200+ applications..... and not having to 
define my own sets.


Is this already done?

Looking at the previous links and Neils postings, at first glance
it tells me I'm going to have to spend days learning about what all
of these individual packages do to have a somewhat similar setup
that kde-meta provided. I do not what to learn the details and names
of all of that stuff. I want to emerge a small number of sets
and POOF as close as I can get (with sets and kde4.2) to the
ole kde-meta?


Am I being unreasonable? Did I miss something?
(and yes, I'm lazy, mentally crippled, and slow
that's why I still do admin work....)


James

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[ABCD]

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James wrote:
> OK, color me "dense", but, if we are assuming  there should be
> a smooth (easy) transition from kde-meta to kde "sets" I'm 
> missing something. The posted lists (sets) do not look anything
> like the way kde-meta is organized.
> 
> 
> Call it herd mentality, but I bet many of the current kde-meta
> crowd would just love to have these sets defined for us
> and we can choose which of these generic sets we want,
> and then just build a set or 2 of our own. Then make a file
> that lists those and all we have to do is emerge that file.
> Poof done, kde-meta, simple fast and mostly like what other 
> have, using gentoo defined sets for kde-4.2.x
> 
> Should we not have some standard, logical listing of
> of the various kde packages, like the current categories 
> for kde 3.5.x, only in set form? Sure folks could build there
> own sets but if all you want is the old kde-meta (give or 
> take a few application), in sets+kde.4.2.x form, there
> should be some predefined sets for us?
> 
> That is to say, (more clearly I hope); when I go to the kde
> button in 3.5.9, I get these categories:
> Development
> Entertainment
> Games
> Graphics
> <snip>
> 
> So what aren't there pre-defined sets with this sort of grouping?
> Thus the new kde-4.2.x would be a straight convert (except
> for applications that are lost and/or gained) to ease the transition
> to kde 4.2.x  using sets. Really, all I want is a similar setup
> to kde-meta, via sets && Kde 4.2.x, without having to get
> intimate with 200+ applications..... and not having to 
> define my own sets.
> 
> 
> Is this already done?
> 
> Looking at the previous links and Neils postings, at first glance
> it tells me I'm going to have to spend days learning about what all
> of these individual packages do to have a somewhat similar setup
> that kde-meta provided. I do not what to learn the details and names
> of all of that stuff. I want to emerge a small number of sets
> and POOF as close as I can get (with sets and kde4.2) to the
> ole kde-meta?
> 
> Am I being unreasonable? Did I miss something?
> (and yes, I'm lazy, mentally crippled, and slow
> that's why I still do admin work....)

There are predefined sets in the kde-testing overlay, that correspond to
the upstream tarballs (and, therefore, to the kdefoo-meta packages).
Unfortunately, they cannot yet be distributed with the gentoo-x86 tree
(that's $PORTDIR, or /usr/portage, for you playing along at home).  I
don't remember the reasons given for that, but you can copy the sets
from that tree, and place them in your /etc/portage/sets/ directory, and
modify them at will - or create your own based on those sets.  Note that
you do not actually need that overlay installed to use the sets; all you
have to do is copy the sets from the overlay into your local configuration.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 24 February 2009 05:33:40 James wrote:
> Neil Bothwick <neil <at> digimed.co.uk> writes:
> > Sets are a replacement for meta-packages, so your set would contain the
> > packages you need. If it did contain kde-meta, then it would install all
> > of KDE, because that is a dependency of kde-meta.
>
> OK, color me "dense", but, if we are assuming  there should be
> a smooth (easy) transition from kde-meta to kde "sets" I'm
> missing something. The posted lists (sets) do not look anything
> like the way kde-meta is organized.

The kde-testing overlay ships with at least 50 pre-defined sets, and in there 
you will find a set that maps to every -meta ebuild that we have been using 
for so long.

As to why there isn't such a thing with portage, I don't know. You would have 
to ask the kde ebuild maintainers. But if you would like to have this 
collection of sets and haven't added the overlay, I'd happily send you a 
tarball of all the kde sets.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Graham Murray]

ABCD <en.ABCD@gmail.com> writes:

> Unfortunately, they cannot yet be distributed with the gentoo-x86 tree
> (that's $PORTDIR, or /usr/portage, for you playing along at home).  I
> don't remember the reasons given for that,

I think that it is because the versions of portage (2.2_rcx) which
support sets are still masked. 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 February 2009 05:33:40 James wrote:
>   
>> Neil Bothwick <neil <at> digimed.co.uk> writes:
>>     
>>> Sets are a replacement for meta-packages, so your set would contain the
>>> packages you need. If it did contain kde-meta, then it would install all
>>> of KDE, because that is a dependency of kde-meta.
>>>       
>> OK, color me "dense", but, if we are assuming  there should be
>> a smooth (easy) transition from kde-meta to kde "sets" I'm
>> missing something. The posted lists (sets) do not look anything
>> like the way kde-meta is organized.
>>     
>
> The kde-testing overlay ships with at least 50 pre-defined sets, and in there 
> you will find a set that maps to every -meta ebuild that we have been using 
> for so long.
>
> As to why there isn't such a thing with portage, I don't know. You would have 
> to ask the kde ebuild maintainers. But if you would like to have this 
> collection of sets and haven't added the overlay, I'd happily send you a 
> tarball of all the kde sets.
>
>
>   


If it's not huge or anything, I'll take a look at it.  Dial-up
remember?  Life sucks out here in the sticks.  It's quiet out here tho.

Oh, off list of course.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[James]

Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon <at> gmail.com> writes:


> As to why there isn't such a thing with portage, I don't know. You would have 
> to ask the kde ebuild maintainers. But if you would like to have this 
> collection of sets and haven't added the overlay, I'd happily send you a 
> tarball of all the kde sets.


OK email them to me.


thx,


James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Dale]

James wrote:
> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>   
>> As to why there isn't such a thing with portage, I don't know. You would have 
>> to ask the kde ebuild maintainers. But if you would like to have this 
>> collection of sets and haven't added the overlay, I'd happily send you a 
>> tarball of all the kde sets.
>>     
>
>
> OK email them to me.
>
>
> thx,
>
>
> James
>
>   

He emailed a copy to the list so you should be able to get them.  I
already got mine.  It is one reply above this one I think.  It is in my
mail box anyway.  It's a attachment. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 24 February 2009 23:30:04 Dale wrote:
> James wrote:
> > Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon <at> gmail.com> writes:
> >> As to why there isn't such a thing with portage, I don't know. You would
> >> have to ask the kde ebuild maintainers. But if you would like to have
> >> this collection of sets and haven't added the overlay, I'd happily send
> >> you a tarball of all the kde sets.
> >
> > OK email them to me.
> >
> >
> > thx,
> >
> >
> > James
>
> He emailed a copy to the list 

I did? Oh dear. Meant to send them direct to Dale and James. Sorry for the 
noise.



> so you should be able to get them.  I
> already got mine.  It is one reply above this one I think.  It is in my
> mail box anyway.  It's a attachment.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 February 2009 23:30:04 Dale wrote:
>   
>> James wrote:
>>     
>>> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>>       
>>>> As to why there isn't such a thing with portage, I don't know. You would
>>>> have to ask the kde ebuild maintainers. But if you would like to have
>>>> this collection of sets and haven't added the overlay, I'd happily send
>>>> you a tarball of all the kde sets.
>>>>         
>>> OK email them to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> thx,
>>>
>>>
>>> James
>>>       
>> He emailed a copy to the list 
>>     
>
> I did? Oh dear. Meant to send them direct to Dale and James. Sorry for the 
> noise.
>
>
>
>   
>> so you should be able to get them.  I
>> already got mine.  It is one reply above this one I think.  It is in my
>> mail box anyway.  It's a attachment.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>     
>
>   

Ooops, you didn't send them to the list.  Since you didn't change the
subject line, it put it in the same folder as gentoo-user stuff.  I
didn't even notice.  My bad. 

I filter mailing lists by subject since it starts the same way in the
subject line.  You know, gentoo-user, gentoo-dev etc etc. 

I need to open my eyes.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 25 February 2009 07:43:42 Dale wrote:
> Ooops, you didn't send them to the list.  Since you didn't change the
> subject line, it put it in the same folder as gentoo-user stuff.  I
> didn't even notice.  My bad.
>
> I filter mailing lists by subject since it starts the same way in the
> subject line.  You know, gentoo-user, gentoo-dev etc etc.
>
> I need to open my eyes.

Tell me about it :-)

I've just spent 30 minutes starting at my Konsole trying to figure out why I 
can't send from my own relays if I telnet:

MAIL FROM: alanm@domain
501 5.1.7 Bad sender address syntax


A colleague took one look and said "I think you are missing a < and a > in 
there"

Sheesh. That's a cake offense. Now I gotta find a bakery.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 February 2009 07:43:42 Dale wrote:
>   
>> Ooops, you didn't send them to the list.  Since you didn't change the
>> subject line, it put it in the same folder as gentoo-user stuff.  I
>> didn't even notice.  My bad.
>>
>> I filter mailing lists by subject since it starts the same way in the
>> subject line.  You know, gentoo-user, gentoo-dev etc etc.
>>
>> I need to open my eyes.
>>     
>
> Tell me about it :-)
>
> I've just spent 30 minutes starting at my Konsole trying to figure out why I 
> can't send from my own relays if I telnet:
>
> MAIL FROM: alanm@domain
> 501 5.1.7 Bad sender address syntax
>
>
> A colleague took one look and said "I think you are missing a < and a > in 
> there"
>
> Sheesh. That's a cake offense. Now I gotta find a bakery.
>
>   

Well, I haven't slept but a few hours in the past several days.  I hate
psoriasis.  It itches, a lot.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:43:42 -0600, Dale wrote:

> I filter mailing lists by subject since it starts the same way in the
> subject line.  You know, gentoo-user, gentoo-dev etc etc. 
> 
> I need to open my eyes.

You need to filter on list headers, that way off-list replies won't
appear to be on-list :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Bookmark - A means of returning to where you got lost last time.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:43:42 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> I filter mailing lists by subject since it starts the same way in the
>> subject line.  You know, gentoo-user, gentoo-dev etc etc. 
>>
>> I need to open my eyes.
>>     
>
> You need to filter on list headers, that way off-list replies won't
> appear to be on-list :)
>
>
>   


I'm not sure Seamonkey has that option.  At least my eyes haven't seen
it yet.  -_o

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Mike Kazantsev]

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On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:28:41 -0600
Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure Seamonkey has that option.  At least my eyes haven't seen
> it yet.  -_o

AFAIK seamonkey uses mbox format to store messages, so you can probably
instruct it to pass them to some external mail delivery agent (like
procmail), which have all the necessary filtering features.

Well, provided you have any need for that "features", of course :)


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:28:41 -0600, Dale wrote:

> > You need to filter on list headers, that way off-list replies won't
> > appear to be on-list :)

> I'm not sure Seamonkey has that option.  At least my eyes haven't seen
> it yet.  -_o

It can't filter on mail headers? I though only Gmail was that lame :(

I'd be surprised if is can't as Thunderbird can.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"Bother," said Pooh, as someone flamed him for no reason.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Masood Ahmed]

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On 16:10 Wed 25 Feb     , Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:28:41 -0600, Dale wrote:
> 
> > > You need to filter on list headers, that way off-list replies won't
> > > appear to be on-list :)
> 
> > I'm not sure Seamonkey has that option.  At least my eyes haven't seen
> > it yet.  -_o
> 
> It can't filter on mail headers? I though only Gmail was that lame :(

Gmail can filter message's based on header. Use the "Has the words:" option
while filtering.

For Gentoo-User, Has the words: list:"gentoo-user.gentoo.org"

I think Seamonkey should have similar option, I know thunderbird has it.

Regards,
Masood Ahmed

-- 
Quick!!  Act as if nothing has happened!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:54:17 +0530, Masood Ahmed wrote:

> Gmail can filter message's based on header. Use the "Has the words:"
> option while filtering.
> 
> For Gentoo-User, Has the words: list:"gentoo-user.gentoo.org"

Interesting, I though that only applied to the message body, thanks.

It still won't make me like GMail, but I have to use it for push mail
with my phone.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Earlier, I didn't have time to finish anything. This time I w

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Portage and sets

[Dale]

Masood Ahmed wrote:
> On 16:10 Wed 25 Feb     , Neil Bothwick wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:28:41 -0600, Dale wrote:
>>
>>     
>>>> You need to filter on list headers, that way off-list replies won't
>>>> appear to be on-list :)
>>>>         
>>> I'm not sure Seamonkey has that option.  At least my eyes haven't seen
>>> it yet.  -_o
>>>       
>> It can't filter on mail headers? I though only Gmail was that lame :(
>>     
>
> Gmail can filter message's based on header. Use the "Has the words:" option
> while filtering.
>
> For Gentoo-User, Has the words: list:"gentoo-user.gentoo.org"
>
> I think Seamonkey should have similar option, I know thunderbird has it.
>
> Regards,
> Masood Ahmed
>
>   

I don't see that option tho.  It may be there but I can't find it.

Dale

:-)  :-)