From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LVPwS-0003ev-PQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:36:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 127F0E0162; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f11.google.com (mail-ew0-f11.google.com [209.85.219.11]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B43CE0162 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy4 with SMTP id 4so378809ewy.10 for ; Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:36:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=HFHdmohvPGx+z/MfKMUb++VSXaX79IhWujaborob8cY=; b=szY9RgNIARRPZtqIYimG2H5yznEUNuCsZQxREN0Iy+lMMICASCMKoC1hRI0kKOOhMl j33jRzUaRhpkN2MolFrkIw4jiO8GmfJis5D83eIghVk7OdwUAHpjdSBvfEETH54Dl3Ug QfQKTG5Dd6VUoSSO/gRdYhdhlZ2NgrUS6jJI8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=PM50RuFcCNCmpPINcchFtNTohWzHcvN3ANCskLcKUHYcjMPRUiclRGTXCrb/ym4Faq RBOPJybIrocTTFgJHpF+BGiJxoF/XFeO27UWSWIVrB6pTg2TK5exV6gX3/LhH9+kSc43 +Tj0GiMdsuPbAnBEPgarUnVhtEnml7+Ze+kag= Received: by 10.210.133.19 with SMTP id g19mr1295647ebd.52.1233923774358; Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:36:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from energy.localnet (energy.heim10.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.197.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm4362091ewy.73.2009.02.06.04.36.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh? Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:36:12 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.0 (Linux/2.6.27.13r4; KDE/4.2.0; x86_64; ; ) References: <035fe144ae92123031ae61b9f7ef80ab.squirrel@jesgue.homelinux.org> <20090206085543.49a51750@krikkit> In-Reply-To: <20090206085543.49a51750@krikkit> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200902061336.12507.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 951e8255-f669-4b4f-b83d-271369c70c68 X-Archives-Hash: 6044e255a4adf62c042491100234cca2 On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:17:46 +0100 (CET), Jes=FAs Guerrero wrote: > > Well, in that sense, ALL the man pages of for anything that's more > > complext than ls will be horrible. There's no way to can shorten > > it unless you take features off from bash. It's a very powerful > > shell. > > > > Same goes for my other example: fvwm. > > And for mplayer/mencoder. The problem is that man pages are single pages > and therefore only suitable for fairly short documents. The alternative, > as used by zsh, is to split the information into several man pages, then > you never know which one to look at. procmail is a good example of how to > do this badly, with procmailrc's documentation being split across > three man pages. > > That's why info is a much better format for complex or multipurpose > programs. You'd expect to find a list of contents, chapters and an > index in a printed reference book, electronic documentation should be > no different. except that info is horrible. I hate info. If you don't know exactly what y= ou=20 are looking for, you are lost. And you can never sure in which part they hi= d=20 the information you are looking for. Oh - and the navigation? A nightmare. I prefer man. Even huge manpages. You can easily search them and if you don= 't=20 know what you are looking for you can glanze them over quickly. I hate info.