From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LVBmr-0005T8-De for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:29:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37783E068C; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.digimed.co.uk (82-69-83-178.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.83.178]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED565E068C for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from krikkit (krikkit.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43D0D460444 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:29:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:29:19 +0000 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh? Message-ID: <20090205212919.4d40102e@krikkit> In-Reply-To: References: <200902050937.25810.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <200902051201.38316.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <89FCBD54-D9F9-41B3-8723-8221A2DE2DC6@gmail.com> <498AEF56.3060308@gmail.com> <8ecc09e6e2dddffbda81ccc8731a0947.squirrel@jesgue.homelinux.org> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.0cvs53 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/v8Vz7DNu_kVm3Co.NAeazgz"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: e8b97135-1156-4715-811d-086006ce891d X-Archives-Hash: 768800ea3b1d333a65a4e1906836d456 --Sig_/v8Vz7DNu_kVm3Co.NAeazgz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:25:11 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Most people don't want to be some part of some weird community. They=20 > just want to use a computer. If they were looking for friends, they=20 > might try the local sports club. Who are these people on whose behalf you speak? Why should Gentoo try to cater for them when there are already a zillion distros doing that? Gentoo is not a distro for "most people". > Linux has reached a point where it tries to appeal to users. You don't=20 > ask them anymore to go fix the problems. You have to fix them > yourself. I believe any distro that doesn't adopt a development model > where user support and QA are important, is going to die at some > point. Linux doesn't seem to have gathered new users since ages; 2003 > maybe? Or 2004? No visible growth since then. With no new users, and > most users converting to Ubuntu and openSUSE, there's simply not enough > users left to keep other distros alive. On what do you base these claims? Stating that Linux has no new users does not make it true, but reading emails from people stating "I am new to Linux", as I do most days, would indicate that the opposite is true. QA is important to the Gentoo devs. As for user support, I thing we get tremendous value for money from the devs, worth every penny we pay them. Gentoo arose out of a dissatisfaction wit the way other distros did things, so using them as a yardstick now renders the whole project pointless. If you don't like the way Gentoo does things, you can either work to improve it or use something else more suited to your needs. If all you want is a GUI for the installer, take a look at Quickstart and see if there is a way to add a configuration GUI to it. --=20 Neil Bothwick ... "Yummy," said Pooh, as he hilted his paw into the "honeypot". --Sig_/v8Vz7DNu_kVm3Co.NAeazgz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmLWjQACgkQum4al0N1GQNr5QCdGSNJrY4EagkSkppLd4DBxN/6 +3cAn0VjbWYtpoXZMugVDnhZBhU5rP2m =PdUo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/v8Vz7DNu_kVm3Co.NAeazgz--