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From: Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user]  Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your     system'     -- huh?
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:29:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090205212919.4d40102e@krikkit> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <gmfhul$a1u$1@ger.gmane.org>

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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:25:11 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> Most people don't want to be some part of some weird community.  They 
> just want to use a computer.  If they were looking for friends, they 
> might try the local sports club.

Who are these people on whose behalf you speak? Why should Gentoo try to
cater for them when there are already a zillion distros doing that?
Gentoo is not a distro for "most people".

> Linux has reached a point where it tries to appeal to users.  You don't 
> ask them anymore to go fix the problems.  You have to fix them
> yourself. I believe any distro that doesn't adopt a development model
> where user support and QA are important, is going to die at some
> point.  Linux doesn't seem to have gathered new users since ages; 2003
> maybe?  Or 2004?  No visible growth since then.  With no new users, and
> most users converting to Ubuntu and openSUSE, there's simply not enough
> users left to keep other distros alive.

On what do you base these claims? Stating that Linux has no new users
does not make it true, but reading emails from people stating "I am new to
Linux", as I do most days, would indicate that the opposite is true.

QA is important to the Gentoo devs. As for user support, I thing we get
tremendous value for money from the devs, worth every penny we pay them.

Gentoo arose out of a dissatisfaction wit the way other distros did
things, so using them as a yardstick now renders the whole project
pointless. If you don't like the way Gentoo does things, you can either
work to improve it or use something else more suited to your needs. If
all you want is a GUI for the installer, take a look at Quickstart and
see if there is a way to add a configuration GUI to it.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

... "Yummy," said Pooh, as he hilted his paw into the "honeypot".

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-05 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-03 22:39 [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh? Grant Edwards
2009-02-03 22:56 ` Grant
2009-02-03 23:02 ` Norberto Bensa
2009-02-07  9:00   ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2009-02-03 23:03 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-04  0:50   ` Dale
2009-02-03 23:06 ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-03 23:13   ` Constantine D. Kardaris
2009-02-04 10:09   ` [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 12:42     ` Sebastián Magrí
2009-02-04 13:19       ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-04 14:01         ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 16:46           ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 17:32         ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 17:48           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-04 18:03             ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 20:24             ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 20:37               ` Sebastián Magrí
2009-02-04 21:57                 ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-05  6:07                 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05  7:28                   ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05  7:37                     ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-05  7:57                       ` Dale
2009-02-05  8:05                         ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-05  8:26                           ` Dale
2009-02-05 10:59                             ` Momesso Andrea
2009-02-05  8:13                       ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05  8:56                         ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 15:18                           ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-05 11:01                         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 11:15                           ` Cocoy Dayao
2009-02-05 13:53                             ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-05 19:51                               ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 20:25                                 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 21:01                                   ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 21:08                                     ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 21:29                                   ` Neil Bothwick [this message]
2009-02-05 11:36                           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 12:01                             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 13:48                               ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-05 14:04                                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:00                               ` Mike Edenfield
2009-02-05 19:10                                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:31                                   ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 19:36                                     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:43                                       ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 19:45                                         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 20:18                                           ` Mark Knecht
2009-02-05 20:34                                             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:47                                         ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-05 20:16                                           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 19:49                                         ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 20:20                                           ` Mark Knecht
2009-02-05 20:32                                             ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-05 20:38                                               ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 22:16                                                 ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-05 22:30                                                   ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 20:57                                               ` Mark Knecht
2009-02-05 21:44                                                 ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 22:57                                                   ` Dale
2009-02-05 23:03                                                     ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 23:03                                                       ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-05 23:12                                                         ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-06  0:54                                                           ` Dale
2009-02-06  0:58                                                             ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-06  2:45                                                           ` Stroller
2009-02-06  5:48                                                             ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06  3:03                                                         ` Stroller
2009-02-06  3:08                                                           ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-06  4:40                                                             ` Stroller
2009-02-06  5:03                                                               ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-06  6:57                                                                 ` Stroller
2009-02-06  7:17                                                                   ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-06  8:55                                                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-06 12:36                                                                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 12:58                                                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06 13:04                                                                           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 13:29                                                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-06 13:49                                                                             ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06 14:27                                                                               ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 16:06                                                                                 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-06 16:41                                                                                   ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 16:40                                                                                     ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-06 16:51                                                                                       ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 21:00                                                                                 ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-06 21:08                                                                                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 21:30                                                                                     ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-06 21:37                                                                                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 23:28                                                                                         ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-07  7:53                                                                                           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-07 18:55                                                                                             ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-07  9:57                                                                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 18:13                                                                                   ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-07 18:40                                                                                     ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-07 19:08                                                                                       ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-08  0:42                                                                                         ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-08  0:57                                                                                           ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-08 13:32                                                                                             ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-08 14:41                                                                                               ` Graham Murray
2009-02-08 14:59                                                                                                 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 14:19                                                                             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 15:36                                                                             ` Stroller
2009-02-06 14:25                                                                         ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 14:25                                                                       ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-07  9:52                                                                         ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 11:48                                                                           ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-07 12:11                                                                             ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-06  5:46                                                               ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06  8:57                                                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-06  9:11                                                                   ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06  9:23                                                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 22:53                                             ` Dale
2009-02-06  7:41                                           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 22:10                                         ` momesso.andrea
2009-02-05 20:03                                 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 20:12                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-13 10:04                                     ` Joost Roeleveld
2009-02-06  9:02                                 ` Christopher Walters
2009-02-06 12:41                                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 19:58                                     ` Christopher Walters
2009-02-06 20:03                                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 12:21                             ` Dirk Uys
2009-02-05 15:23                               ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-05 15:32                                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:56                                 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 12:45                             ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 19:44                             ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05  7:48                     ` Dale
2009-02-05  8:11                     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05  8:50                       ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-06 21:27                       ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-06 21:36                         ` Dirk Heinrichs
2009-02-06 21:38                           ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-06 21:48                             ` Mark Knecht
2009-02-06 22:42                             ` Roy Wright
2009-02-06 22:55                               ` Dale
2009-02-07  7:17                                 ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-07  7:43                                   ` Dale
2009-02-07  9:47                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 18:27                                 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-07 18:37                                   ` Dale
2009-02-07 19:02                                     ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-07 19:09                                       ` Dale
2009-02-07 19:23                                         ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-07 13:53                         ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-07 16:20                           ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 17:23                             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-07 17:29                               ` James Homuth
2009-02-07 19:43                                 ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-07 21:42                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-08  8:54                                     ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-08 15:40                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 19:38                               ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-07 17:28                             ` Dale
2009-02-05  7:41                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05  8:29                     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05  8:46                       ` Joshua Murphy
2009-02-05 11:04                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 20:36                         ` kashani
2009-02-03 23:08 ` [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" " Yannick Mortier
2009-02-03 23:10 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-03 23:20 ` kashani
2009-02-03 23:48 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-04  6:58   ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04  7:27     ` Christopher Walters
2009-02-04  7:39       ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 10:32         ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 15:25           ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 15:41             ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 16:19               ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 16:48                 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 17:54                 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 17:38             ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 13:03     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" " Momesso Andrea
2009-02-04 13:15       ` Sebastián Magrí
2009-02-04 13:31         ` Momesso Andrea
2009-02-04 13:56           ` Sebastián Magrí
2009-02-04 15:39             ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for yoursystem" " Prado, Renato (R.P.)
2009-02-04 15:45               ` Yannick Mortier
     [not found]               ` <2F1868733128B647A5383526F5DF600401A91E25@VNAMBV03.vistcorp.ad.visteon .com>
2009-02-04 17:43                 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for yoursystem' " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 17:55                   ` Prado, Renato (R.P.)
2009-02-04 13:59           ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" " Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 16:55             ` Momesso Andrea
2009-02-04 20:40               ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 14:06           ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 16:33       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 10:12   ` Steven Lembark
2009-02-05 10:22     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 12:48       ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 10:47     ` Dirk Uys
2009-02-05 15:26     ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-05 15:52       ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04  3:38 ` James
2009-02-04  6:17   ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04  6:22     ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-04 15:23       ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 16:07       ` James
2009-02-04 16:19         ` Hazen Valliant-Saunders
2009-02-04 16:52           ` James
2009-02-04 16:20         ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 19:27         ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-04 10:26     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04  9:58 ` [gentoo-user] " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 10:08   ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-04 10:34     ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 18:43 ` [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" " pk
2009-02-05 10:08 ` Steven Lembark
2009-02-05 14:43 ` Stroller
2009-02-05 18:18   ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 18:50     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 18:52     ` Mark Knecht

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