From: Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:10:25 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200902040010.26237.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <gmah2q$vl5$1@ger.gmane.org>
On Dienstag 03 Februar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
> Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system
> similar to BSD "ports" where you build packages from source.
> The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get
> better performance because all executables are optimized for
> exactly the right instruction set.
>
> Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it
> parroted by so many people?
because it was true in the beginning, when most distris were still built for
386 and the difference of an optimized built was that you could watch dvd
movies without hangs and frame loss.
It is still true to a certain degree today - code compiled for 386 runs much
slower than code compiled for core2 - on a core2. But on todays overpowered
cpus you don't see it as prominent as back on k6-2 400 or p3 650 ....
> AFAICT, the "performance" benefit due to compiler optimization
> is practically nil in real-world usage.
nope, they are there. But compiler optimiziations are a very delicate thing.
You can't just throw funroll-all-loops into make.conf and think that was it.
And for a general set, march is the most important one. It does do a lot of
good - the rest is just minor at best.
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2009-02-03 22:39 [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh? Grant Edwards
2009-02-03 22:56 ` Grant
2009-02-03 23:02 ` Norberto Bensa
2009-02-07 9:00 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2009-02-03 23:03 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-04 0:50 ` Dale
2009-02-03 23:06 ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-03 23:13 ` Constantine D. Kardaris
2009-02-04 10:09 ` [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 12:42 ` Sebastián Magrí
2009-02-04 13:19 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-04 14:01 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 16:46 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 17:32 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 17:48 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-04 18:03 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 20:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 20:37 ` Sebastián Magrí
2009-02-04 21:57 ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-05 6:07 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 7:28 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 7:37 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-05 7:57 ` Dale
2009-02-05 8:05 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-05 8:26 ` Dale
2009-02-05 10:59 ` Momesso Andrea
2009-02-05 8:13 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 8:56 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 15:18 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-05 11:01 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 11:15 ` Cocoy Dayao
2009-02-05 13:53 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-05 19:51 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 20:25 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 21:01 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 21:08 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 21:29 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 11:36 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 12:01 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 13:48 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-05 14:04 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:00 ` Mike Edenfield
2009-02-05 19:10 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:31 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 19:36 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:43 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 19:45 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 20:18 ` Mark Knecht
2009-02-05 20:34 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:47 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-05 20:16 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 19:49 ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 20:20 ` Mark Knecht
2009-02-05 20:32 ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-05 20:38 ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 22:16 ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-05 22:30 ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 20:57 ` Mark Knecht
2009-02-05 21:44 ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 22:57 ` Dale
2009-02-05 23:03 ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 23:03 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-05 23:12 ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-06 0:54 ` Dale
2009-02-06 0:58 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-06 2:45 ` Stroller
2009-02-06 5:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06 3:03 ` Stroller
2009-02-06 3:08 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-06 4:40 ` Stroller
2009-02-06 5:03 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-06 6:57 ` Stroller
2009-02-06 7:17 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-06 8:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-06 12:36 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 12:58 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06 13:04 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 13:29 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-06 13:49 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06 14:27 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 16:06 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-06 16:41 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 16:40 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-06 16:51 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 21:00 ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-06 21:08 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 21:30 ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-06 21:37 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 23:28 ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-07 7:53 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-07 18:55 ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-07 9:57 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 18:13 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-07 18:40 ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-07 19:08 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-08 0:42 ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-08 0:57 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-08 13:32 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-08 14:41 ` Graham Murray
2009-02-08 14:59 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 14:19 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 15:36 ` Stroller
2009-02-06 14:25 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 14:25 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-07 9:52 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 11:48 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-07 12:11 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-06 5:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06 8:57 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-06 9:11 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06 9:23 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 22:53 ` Dale
2009-02-06 7:41 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 22:10 ` momesso.andrea
2009-02-05 20:03 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 20:12 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-13 10:04 ` Joost Roeleveld
2009-02-06 9:02 ` Christopher Walters
2009-02-06 12:41 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 19:58 ` Christopher Walters
2009-02-06 20:03 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 12:21 ` Dirk Uys
2009-02-05 15:23 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-05 15:32 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:56 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 12:45 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 19:44 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 7:48 ` Dale
2009-02-05 8:11 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 8:50 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-06 21:27 ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-06 21:36 ` Dirk Heinrichs
2009-02-06 21:38 ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-06 21:48 ` Mark Knecht
2009-02-06 22:42 ` Roy Wright
2009-02-06 22:55 ` Dale
2009-02-07 7:17 ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-07 7:43 ` Dale
2009-02-07 9:47 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 18:27 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-07 18:37 ` Dale
2009-02-07 19:02 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-07 19:09 ` Dale
2009-02-07 19:23 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-07 13:53 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-07 16:20 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 17:23 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-07 17:29 ` James Homuth
2009-02-07 19:43 ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-07 21:42 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-08 8:54 ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-08 15:40 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 19:38 ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-07 17:28 ` Dale
2009-02-05 7:41 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 8:29 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 8:46 ` Joshua Murphy
2009-02-05 11:04 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 20:36 ` kashani
2009-02-03 23:08 ` [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" " Yannick Mortier
2009-02-03 23:10 ` Volker Armin Hemmann [this message]
2009-02-03 23:20 ` kashani
2009-02-03 23:48 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-04 6:58 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 7:27 ` Christopher Walters
2009-02-04 7:39 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 10:32 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 15:25 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 15:41 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 16:19 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 16:48 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 17:54 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 17:38 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 13:03 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" " Momesso Andrea
2009-02-04 13:15 ` Sebastián Magrí
2009-02-04 13:31 ` Momesso Andrea
2009-02-04 13:56 ` Sebastián Magrí
2009-02-04 15:39 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for yoursystem" " Prado, Renato (R.P.)
2009-02-04 15:45 ` Yannick Mortier
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2009-02-04 17:43 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for yoursystem' " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 17:55 ` Prado, Renato (R.P.)
2009-02-04 13:59 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" " Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 16:55 ` Momesso Andrea
2009-02-04 20:40 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 14:06 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 16:33 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 10:12 ` Steven Lembark
2009-02-05 10:22 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 12:48 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 10:47 ` Dirk Uys
2009-02-05 15:26 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-05 15:52 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 3:38 ` James
2009-02-04 6:17 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 6:22 ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-04 15:23 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 16:07 ` James
2009-02-04 16:19 ` Hazen Valliant-Saunders
2009-02-04 16:52 ` James
2009-02-04 16:20 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 19:27 ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-04 10:26 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 9:58 ` [gentoo-user] " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 10:08 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-04 10:34 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 18:43 ` [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" " pk
2009-02-05 10:08 ` Steven Lembark
2009-02-05 14:43 ` Stroller
2009-02-05 18:18 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 18:50 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 18:52 ` Mark Knecht
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