[gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Damian]

Hello,

What does it means when the ~amd64 is not one of the keywords used to
mask the package?

The problem I have is that I would like to install amarok 2 but I
cannot unmask it by accepting ~amd64. It is safe to unmask it using
~x86 even though my system is amd64?

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Damian.

Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 23 January 2009 11:11:18 Damian wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What does it means when the ~amd64 is not one of the keywords used to
> mask the package?
>
> The problem I have is that I would like to install amarok 2 but I
> cannot unmask it by accepting ~amd64. It is safe to unmask it using
> ~x86 even though my system is amd64?

The ebuild has this:

$ grep KEYWORDS amarok-2.0.1.1.ebuild
KEYWORDS="~x86"

So it's not even tested on amd64. The answer is in 'man portage':


Note:
In  addition  to  the normal values from ACCEPT_KEYWORDS package.key-
words supports three special tokens:

*  package is visible if it is stable on any architecture
~* package is visible if it is in testing on any architecture
** package is always visible (KEYWORDS are ignored completely)



-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Damian]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday 23 January 2009 11:11:18 Damian wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> What does it means when the ~amd64 is not one of the keywords used to
>> mask the package?
>>
>> The problem I have is that I would like to install amarok 2 but I
>> cannot unmask it by accepting ~amd64. It is safe to unmask it using
>> ~x86 even though my system is amd64?
>
> The ebuild has this:
>
> $ grep KEYWORDS amarok-2.0.1.1.ebuild
> KEYWORDS="~x86"
>
> So it's not even tested on amd64. The answer is in 'man portage':
Thanks Alan.

Best,
Damian.
>
>
> Note:
> In  addition  to  the normal values from ACCEPT_KEYWORDS package.key-
> words supports three special tokens:
>
> *  package is visible if it is stable on any architecture
> ~* package is visible if it is in testing on any architecture
> ** package is always visible (KEYWORDS are ignored completely)
>
>
>
> --
> alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 23 January 2009 12:06:43 Damian wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > On Friday 23 January 2009 11:11:18 Damian wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> What does it means when the ~amd64 is not one of the keywords used to
> >> mask the package?
> >>
> >> The problem I have is that I would like to install amarok 2 but I
> >> cannot unmask it by accepting ~amd64. It is safe to unmask it using
> >> ~x86 even though my system is amd64?
> >
> > The ebuild has this:
> >
> > $ grep KEYWORDS amarok-2.0.1.1.ebuild
> > KEYWORDS="~x86"
> >
> > So it's not even tested on amd64. The answer is in 'man portage':
>
> Thanks Alan.

I almost forgot - trying to emerge amarok2.0.1.1 is almost guaranteed to fail 
due to the amarok devs have no clue as to how mysql is built, plus other 
errors:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238487
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250870

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Damian]

> I almost forgot - trying to emerge amarok2.0.1.1 is almost guaranteed to fail
> due to the amarok devs have no clue as to how mysql is built, plus other
> errors:
Indeed. I think it's time for me to drop one more kde app.


> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238487
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250870
>
> --
> alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Paul Hartman]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Damian <damian.only@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What does it means when the ~amd64 is not one of the keywords used to
> mask the package?
>
> The problem I have is that I would like to install amarok 2 but I
> cannot unmask it by accepting ~amd64. It is safe to unmask it using
> ~x86 even though my system is amd64?

Before trying to emerge Amarok 2, create (or edit) the file
/etc/portage/env/dev-db/mysql and add these lines:

CFLAGS="-march=core2 -O2 -ggdb -pipe -DPIC -fPIC"
CXXFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -DPIC -fPIC"

(change the march & other options to match what you normally use for
CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS), the important part here is -DPIC -fPIC

then re-emerge mysql if you've already got it installed. After that
Amarok should build successfully. If you don't do that, you will waste
your time.

Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 27 January 2009 18:35:07 Damian wrote:
> > I almost forgot - trying to emerge amarok2.0.1.1 is almost guaranteed to
> > fail due to the amarok devs have no clue as to how mysql is built, plus
> > other errors:
>
> Indeed. I think it's time for me to drop one more kde app.
>
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238487
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250870

I'm sorely tempted to do the same. amarok-2.0.1.1 does eventually compile if 
you:

build mysql or mysql-community with USE="embedded -minimal"
then
build amarok

But it just feels ... clunky. The big content panel in the middle is awkward:

There's no way I can find to tell amarok which applet you want to go where, 
with multiple panes in use the animation effect to switch from one to the 
other is non-intuitive. Eventually by zooming the whole thing out you can see 
it's 4 panes arranged 2x2 and the animation simulates moving from one to 
another. But it doesn't *tell* you it's laid out like that so the random 
motion looks weird. The "last played" display switches back and forth between 
a "name with cover art" format and a long black oval just like the applet 
selector. Um, which is it supposed to be?

And many many other quirks, too many to mention. As a player, it plays OK - 
sound does come out of the speakers. But players are commodity apps these 
days. Dump one, use another, easy peasy.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Andrew Gaydenko]

On Tuesday 27 January 2009 21:40:29 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 January 2009 18:35:07 Damian wrote:
> > > I almost forgot - trying to emerge amarok2.0.1.1 is almost guaranteed
> > > to fail due to the amarok devs have no clue as to how mysql is built,
> > > plus other errors:
> >
> > Indeed. I think it's time for me to drop one more kde app.
> >
> > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238487
> > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250870
>
> I'm sorely tempted to do the same. amarok-2.0.1.1 does eventually compile
> if you:
>
> build mysql or mysql-community with USE="embedded -minimal"
> then
> build amarok
>
> But it just feels ... clunky. The big content panel in the middle is
> awkward:
>
> There's no way I can find to tell amarok which applet you want to go where,
> with multiple panes in use the animation effect to switch from one to the
> other is non-intuitive. Eventually by zooming the whole thing out you can
> see it's 4 panes arranged 2x2 and the animation simulates moving from one
> to another. But it doesn't *tell* you it's laid out like that so the random
> motion looks weird. The "last played" display switches back and forth
> between a "name with cover art" format and a long black oval just like the
> applet selector. Um, which is it supposed to be?
>
> And many many other quirks, too many to mention. As a player, it plays OK -
> sound does come out of the speakers. But players are commodity apps these
> days. Dump one, use another, easy peasy.

I have (aka anli) claimed here :-) - 
http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,15777.0.html

Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 27 January 2009 20:52:03 Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 January 2009 21:40:29 Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > And many many other quirks, too many to mention. As a player, it plays OK
> > - sound does come out of the speakers. But players are commodity apps
> > these days. Dump one, use another, easy peasy.
>
> I have (aka anli) claimed here :-) -
> http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,15777.0.html

Now that's *much* better. I could even use that :-)

Gotta patch?

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Andrew Gaydenko]

On Tuesday 27 January 2009 22:51:34 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 January 2009 20:52:03 Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> > On Tuesday 27 January 2009 21:40:29 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > And many many other quirks, too many to mention. As a player, it plays
> > > OK - sound does come out of the speakers. But players are commodity
> > > apps these days. Dump one, use another, easy peasy.
> >
> > I have (aka anli) claimed here :-) -
> > http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,15777.0.html
>
> Now that's *much* better. I could even use that :-)
>
> Gotta patch?

Currently I have switched to MPD (which is lirc-izable and has plenty of 
clients). Will look at A2 evolution...

Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Damian]

Thanks Paul and Alan for your advices.

OT:
For me it's hard to drop amarok because I cannot find all of its
funtionality in one player. For now I'm using mpd+sonata. They're
great, but it's just not the same. I guess eventually I'll make my own
player :P


On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 January 2009 18:35:07 Damian wrote:
>> > I almost forgot - trying to emerge amarok2.0.1.1 is almost guaranteed to
>> > fail due to the amarok devs have no clue as to how mysql is built, plus
>> > other errors:
>>
>> Indeed. I think it's time for me to drop one more kde app.
>>
>> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238487
>> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250870
>
> I'm sorely tempted to do the same. amarok-2.0.1.1 does eventually compile if
> you:
>
> build mysql or mysql-community with USE="embedded -minimal"
> then
> build amarok
>
> But it just feels ... clunky. The big content panel in the middle is awkward:
>
> There's no way I can find to tell amarok which applet you want to go where,
> with multiple panes in use the animation effect to switch from one to the
> other is non-intuitive. Eventually by zooming the whole thing out you can see
> it's 4 panes arranged 2x2 and the animation simulates moving from one to
> another. But it doesn't *tell* you it's laid out like that so the random
> motion looks weird. The "last played" display switches back and forth between
> a "name with cover art" format and a long black oval just like the applet
> selector. Um, which is it supposed to be?
>
> And many many other quirks, too many to mention. As a player, it plays OK -
> sound does come out of the speakers. But players are commodity apps these
> days. Dump one, use another, easy peasy.
>
> --
> alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Damian <damian.only@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Paul and Alan for your advices.
>
> OT:
> For me it's hard to drop amarok because I cannot find all of its
> funtionality in one player. For now I'm using mpd+sonata. They're
> great, but it's just not the same. I guess eventually I'll make my own
> player :P

I'm a long-time user of KDE3-Amarok and the new Amarok is taking some
time to get used to... I do not like at all the way it sorts your
collection, it seems to be trying to be too smart. I don't have an
assortment of random songs, I have albums, and it's very difficult to
get them to display as such. I had no problems in the old Amarok.

The fact that half the screen is reserved for docking of plug-ins or
widgets or whatever is kind of annoying... It is not intuitive how to
arrange them. For example, there is a lyrics plug-in but it only shows
about 4 lines of text, which makes it annoying to the point of being
useless (unless I want to scroll line-by-line during the entire song).

Last.fm works much better in the new Amarok, however. It never quite
worked right in the old one. Loving/banning/skipping songs is all very
easy now.

The big problem I have in Amarok 2 is that it has 2 big major problems:

1. It randomly stops playing and uses 100% until I kill it. This seems
to happen not-so-randomly if I try to skip 2 songs in a row. It may be
buffering or something. The old Amarok had a similar problem,
actually, but it would just crash.

2. It randomly (usually after 5 songs or so) stops producing any
sound, though it acts like it is still playing. One song will finish
and the next will "start" but be silent. Quitting Amarok and
re-starting causes the sound to work again, for a few songs, and then
it goes silent.

Overall I would say at this poin, other than the Last.fm support, I
prefer the old Amarok in almost every way to the new one. UI was
better, performance was better, display of collection was better.
Maybe there are some new features that I'm not aware of that might
make me love Amarok 2.

Thanks,
Paul

Re: [gentoo-user] Amarok only masked with ~x86 keyword

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday 27 January 2009 22:50:59 Paul Hartman wrote:

> Overall I would say at this poin, other than the Last.fm support, I
> prefer the old Amarok in almost every way to the new one. UI was
> better, performance was better, display of collection was better.
> Maybe there are some new features that I'm not aware of that might
> make me love Amarok 2.

Sounds like time for a complaint via bugzilla.


-- 
Rgds
Peter