From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L0MyI-00012h-Lb for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:09:54 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0A56E0573; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A795E0573 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so359911nfi.26 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:09:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=0sElDnIJ03XupaALLpLCS8AlvwGqh+QuNsixdhrsOgA=; b=NJGheErKPWAQW4YsSgB+K4q3zJWUTucFGjKypKuGMvhK0aoyzg+PPTYq1pl0JZoran LNKEY+YG+0EJWM8Wg6jzRbZ81AxtrtJCF6UqfMbMpPJzVZPKAUQ4IOZhfWJ6zHV+DWT6 UXo1sr5Al8PVs1JpTsx8H8ZEPt9ha5F9P9RlQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=lPWtOtSVb6obxS5A0iMnHpGr2iZ843St0WvGg81pWbFe5F+bBRh1wq553Dn+xLHc4n miZ5wWPBU8lUMnpq+3aiS7oYtCxwo2XfOorDEmwBIocaN6kkfT2MNMQriAgia14UEMSv Cu3dVgvDKIL8kaRnAAwGihEGPnqZeVrAReyGg= Received: by 10.210.113.16 with SMTP id l16mr9996946ebc.91.1226524190505; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.0.5? (dsl-243-208-133.telkomadsl.co.za [41.243.208.133]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6sm12149301gve.2.2008.11.12.13.09.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:09:49 -0800 (PST) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.1.3 + KDE-3.5.9 = messed up KDEDIRS ? Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:09:38 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200811120931.44489.dmitry@athabascau.ca> <200811122124.43673.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> <200811121331.52699.dmitry@athabascau.ca> In-Reply-To: <200811121331.52699.dmitry@athabascau.ca> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811122309.38288.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 0369cd89-a40d-4395-885e-417a56d4c2d9 X-Archives-Hash: ee1462a2e15a72fab2e14364c106a4fe On Wednesday 12 November 2008 22:31:52 Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: > On November 12, 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > I had something similar on my first try: > > > > > > kde-4 went into /usr > > > kde-3 went into /usr/kde/3.5 > > > > > > And bizarre weird errors kept happening. I remerged all of kde-4 with > > > USE="kdeprefix" to put it back into /usr/kde/4.1 and all the weirdness > > > went away > > > > in my opinion installing kde straight into /usr and changing the default > > behaviour is the most stupid thing gentoo devs have done in the last > > couple of years. > > wouldn't call it stupid though. FHS compliance is a good thing (I'm a > sysadmin so I really appreciate when things can be easily located > universaly). I think what failed is communication on that change. In > developers defense I'd say that we're dealing with ~arch packages here so > we've been warned they'll be somewhat not-so-stable. What I think needs to > happen is gentoo users have to be warned in big red letters everywhere > possible when upgrading from KDE3 to KDE4 to make firm decision whether to > use "kdeprefix" or not. > > Enforcing proper FS layout is a good thing IMO. Just needs clear > communication before marked as stable :) Essentially what we have with this (the five miles out view) is that portage considers there is a SLOT and the rest of the system does not. So as far as every other utility on the box is concerned (including KDE-3), the kde-3 SLOT simply does not exist, regardless of how nicely portage take care to put stuff in it's own little SLOT. You cannot possibly take /usr out of the various *PATH dirs, and whereas a funky env script might make kde-3 work, it certainly will not work in any other environment. You either have every version of a SLOT package in a SLOT or you do not. So, I like the idea of a non-SLOTted kde-4, but the devs really need to make the rules clear. It all boils down to these two: If you have kde-3 on the same system, you SHALL set USE="kdeprefix" If you do not have kde-3 on the system you SHALL NOT set USE="kdeprefix" To hell with choice in this regard. These are the rules that make stuff work. There is no choice. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com