* [gentoo-user] problems with kernel upgrade - Intel i810 won't start
@ 2008-11-08 2:21 Mark Knecht
2008-11-08 2:30 ` Andrey Falko
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Mark Knecht @ 2008-11-08 2:21 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Hi,
It's been a long, long, long time since I've updated any kernels
but my wife's machine finally came up for review so I got started.
I've built and booted 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 but unfortunately I'm having
some trouble with the video driver. Note that this machine has run
Gentoo for a long time but last used a 2.6.20 kernel.
When starting gdm I get a text screen telling me the X server
failed and showing these messages in the Xorg log file:
dragonfly ~ # cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
Current Operating System: Linux dragonfly 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 #4 SMP
PREEMPT Fri Nov 7 16:23:23 PST 2008 i686
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) No drivers available.
dragonfly ~ #
However the i810 module does exist:
dragonfly ~ # lsmod | grep i810
i810 14848 0
drm 61208 1 i810
dragonfly ~ #
dragonfly ~ # modinfo i810
filename: /lib/modules/2.6.25-gentoo-r8/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i810.ko
license: GPL and additional rights
description: Intel i810
author: VA Linux Systems Inc.
depends: drm
vermagic: 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 SMP preempt mod_unload PENTIUM4
dragonfly ~ #
dragonfly ~ # uname -a
Linux dragonfly 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 #4 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 7 16:23:23 PST
2008 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
dragonfly ~ #
Does anyone see something obvious I'm doing wrong? If so please post
back. Wife is not happy with my at the moment.
Thanks,
Mark
dragonfly ~ # lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM
Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated
Graphics Controller (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB
UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB
UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB
UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB
UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2
EHCI Controller (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC
Interface Bridge (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE
Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus
Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER
(ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
01:03.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
dragonfly ~ #
dragonfly ~ # cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Section "Module"
Load "dbe" # Double buffer extension
SubSection "extmod"
Option "omit xfree86-dga" # don't initialise the DGA extension
EndSubSection
# This loads the font modules
# Load "type1"
Load "freetype"
# Load "xtt"
# This loads the GLX module
# Load "glx"
# This loads the DRI module
Load "dri"
EndSection
Section "Files"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc/"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/"
EndSection
Section "ServerFlags"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard1"
Driver "kbd"
Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc101"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
# Identifier and driver
Identifier "Mouse1"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "Auto" # Auto detect
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "My Monitor"
HorizSync 31.5 - 64.3
VertRefresh 50-90
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "Standard VGA"
VendorName "Unknown"
BoardName "Unknown"
Driver "vga"
EndSection
# Device configured by xorgconfig:
Section "Device"
Identifier "** Intel i810 (generic) [i810]"
Driver "i810"
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen 1"
Device "** Intel i810 (generic) [i810]"
Monitor "My Monitor"
DefaultDepth 16
Subsection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Simple Layout"
Screen "Screen 1"
InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection
Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection
dragonfly ~ #
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* Re: [gentoo-user] problems with kernel upgrade - Intel i810 won't start
2008-11-08 2:21 [gentoo-user] problems with kernel upgrade - Intel i810 won't start Mark Knecht
@ 2008-11-08 2:30 ` Andrey Falko
2008-11-08 2:51 ` Mark Knecht
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Andrey Falko @ 2008-11-08 2:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> It's been a long, long, long time since I've updated any kernels
> but my wife's machine finally came up for review so I got started.
> I've built and booted 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 but unfortunately I'm having
> some trouble with the video driver. Note that this machine has run
> Gentoo for a long time but last used a 2.6.20 kernel.
>
> When starting gdm I get a text screen telling me the X server
> failed and showing these messages in the Xorg log file:
>
> dragonfly ~ # cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
> Current Operating System: Linux dragonfly 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 #4 SMP
> PREEMPT Fri Nov 7 16:23:23 PST 2008 i686
> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
> (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
> (EE) No drivers available.
> dragonfly ~ #
>
>
>
>
Did you do something like this?:
emerge x11-drivers/xf86-video-i810
or this:
add VIDEO_CARDS="i810" to make.conf
then emerge -DuavN xorg-x11
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* Re: [gentoo-user] problems with kernel upgrade - Intel i810 won't start
2008-11-08 2:30 ` Andrey Falko
@ 2008-11-08 2:51 ` Mark Knecht
2008-11-08 3:51 ` Mark Knecht
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Mark Knecht @ 2008-11-08 2:51 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Andrey Falko <ma3oxuct@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> It's been a long, long, long time since I've updated any kernels
>> but my wife's machine finally came up for review so I got started.
>> I've built and booted 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 but unfortunately I'm having
>> some trouble with the video driver. Note that this machine has run
>> Gentoo for a long time but last used a 2.6.20 kernel.
>>
>> When starting gdm I get a text screen telling me the X server
>> failed and showing these messages in the Xorg log file:
>>
>> dragonfly ~ # cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
>> Current Operating System: Linux dragonfly 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 #4 SMP
>> PREEMPT Fri Nov 7 16:23:23 PST 2008 i686
>> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
>> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
>> (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
>> (EE) No drivers available.
>> dragonfly ~ #
>>
>>
>>
>
> Did you do something like this?:
>
> emerge x11-drivers/xf86-video-i810
>
> or this:
>
> add VIDEO_CARDS="i810" to make.conf
> then emerge -DuavN xorg-x11
>
I do have the VIDEO_CARDS="i810" in make.conf but I haven't rebuilt
xorg-x11. Is that generally required when doing a kernel change these
days?
I'm pretty sure the driver I loaded was from the kernel, not from X11
so that could easily be the problem.
Let me work on it.
Thanks,
Mark
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* Re: [gentoo-user] problems with kernel upgrade - Intel i810 won't start
2008-11-08 2:51 ` Mark Knecht
@ 2008-11-08 3:51 ` Mark Knecht
2008-11-08 4:16 ` Andrey Falko
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Mark Knecht @ 2008-11-08 3:51 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Andrey Falko <ma3oxuct@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> It's been a long, long, long time since I've updated any kernels
>>> but my wife's machine finally came up for review so I got started.
>>> I've built and booted 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 but unfortunately I'm having
>>> some trouble with the video driver. Note that this machine has run
>>> Gentoo for a long time but last used a 2.6.20 kernel.
>>>
>>> When starting gdm I get a text screen telling me the X server
>>> failed and showing these messages in the Xorg log file:
>>>
>>> dragonfly ~ # cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
>>> Current Operating System: Linux dragonfly 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 #4 SMP
>>> PREEMPT Fri Nov 7 16:23:23 PST 2008 i686
>>> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
>>> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
>>> (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
>>> (EE) No drivers available.
>>> dragonfly ~ #
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Did you do something like this?:
>>
>> emerge x11-drivers/xf86-video-i810
>>
>> or this:
>>
>> add VIDEO_CARDS="i810" to make.conf
>> then emerge -DuavN xorg-x11
>>
>
> I do have the VIDEO_CARDS="i810" in make.conf but I haven't rebuilt
> xorg-x11. Is that generally required when doing a kernel change these
> days?
>
> I'm pretty sure the driver I loaded was from the kernel, not from X11
> so that could easily be the problem.
>
> Let me work on it.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
Hi Andrey,
OK, I got it going. Thanks for your help. I had to change the
VIDEO_CARDS setting to "intel", not the "i810" like it used to be, and
then emerge xorg-server.
Again, thanks for the pointer.
Cheers,
Mark
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* Re: [gentoo-user] problems with kernel upgrade - Intel i810 won't start
2008-11-08 3:51 ` Mark Knecht
@ 2008-11-08 4:16 ` Andrey Falko
2008-11-08 4:25 ` Mark Knecht
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Andrey Falko @ 2008-11-08 4:16 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Andrey Falko <ma3oxuct@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> It's been a long, long, long time since I've updated any kernels
> >>> but my wife's machine finally came up for review so I got started.
> >>> I've built and booted 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 but unfortunately I'm having
> >>> some trouble with the video driver. Note that this machine has run
> >>> Gentoo for a long time but last used a 2.6.20 kernel.
> >>>
> >>> When starting gdm I get a text screen telling me the X server
> >>> failed and showing these messages in the Xorg log file:
> >>>
> >>> dragonfly ~ # cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
> >>> Current Operating System: Linux dragonfly 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 #4 SMP
> >>> PREEMPT Fri Nov 7 16:23:23 PST 2008 i686
> >>> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
> >>> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
> >>> (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
> >>> (EE) No drivers available.
> >>> dragonfly ~ #
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Did you do something like this?:
> >>
> >> emerge x11-drivers/xf86-video-i810
> >>
> >> or this:
> >>
> >> add VIDEO_CARDS="i810" to make.conf
> >> then emerge -DuavN xorg-x11
> >>
> >
> > I do have the VIDEO_CARDS="i810" in make.conf but I haven't rebuilt
> > xorg-x11. Is that generally required when doing a kernel change these
> > days?
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the driver I loaded was from the kernel, not from X11
> > so that could easily be the problem.
> >
> > Let me work on it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >
>
> Hi Andrey,
> OK, I got it going. Thanks for your help. I had to change the
> VIDEO_CARDS setting to "intel", not the "i810" like it used to be, and
> then emerge xorg-server.
>
> Again, thanks for the pointer.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
>
Cool. Good digging around on your part!
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* Re: [gentoo-user] problems with kernel upgrade - Intel i810 won't start
2008-11-08 4:16 ` Andrey Falko
@ 2008-11-08 4:25 ` Mark Knecht
2008-11-08 6:01 ` Momesso Andrea
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Mark Knecht @ 2008-11-08 4:25 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Andrey Falko <ma3oxuct@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Andrey Falko <ma3oxuct@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>> It's been a long, long, long time since I've updated any kernels
>> >>> but my wife's machine finally came up for review so I got started.
>> >>> I've built and booted 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 but unfortunately I'm having
>> >>> some trouble with the video driver. Note that this machine has run
>> >>> Gentoo for a long time but last used a 2.6.20 kernel.
>> >>>
>> >>> When starting gdm I get a text screen telling me the X server
>> >>> failed and showing these messages in the Xorg log file:
>> >>>
>> >>> dragonfly ~ # cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
>> >>> Current Operating System: Linux dragonfly 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 #4 SMP
>> >>> PREEMPT Fri Nov 7 16:23:23 PST 2008 i686
>> >>> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
>> >>> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
>> >>> (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
>> >>> (EE) No drivers available.
>> >>> dragonfly ~ #
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Did you do something like this?:
>> >>
>> >> emerge x11-drivers/xf86-video-i810
>> >>
>> >> or this:
>> >>
>> >> add VIDEO_CARDS="i810" to make.conf
>> >> then emerge -DuavN xorg-x11
>> >>
>> >
>> > I do have the VIDEO_CARDS="i810" in make.conf but I haven't rebuilt
>> > xorg-x11. Is that generally required when doing a kernel change these
>> > days?
>> >
>> > I'm pretty sure the driver I loaded was from the kernel, not from X11
>> > so that could easily be the problem.
>> >
>> > Let me work on it.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Mark
>> >
>>
>> Hi Andrey,
>> OK, I got it going. Thanks for your help. I had to change the
>> VIDEO_CARDS setting to "intel", not the "i810" like it used to be, and
>> then emerge xorg-server.
>>
>> Again, thanks for the pointer.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>>
>
>
> Cool. Good digging around on your part!
>
Yeah. Weird stuff. I looked in the install documents where it explains
you have to use the VIDEO_CARDS= statement and couldn't find any
pointer to pages that list what video cards are supported and how to
get them. Eentually I just looked at the use flags for the xorg-server
package and found the i810 isn't there anymore so I tried the intel
flag and now it works.
It shouldn't be so random! I pity new folks coming along these days.
I'm not a sys admin at all. No IT degree. Don't run a Fortune 500
company. Not a Comp Sci grad. I used to find what I was looking for
pretty quickly in the Gentoo docs but it seems harder these days.
Anyway, thanks SO much for pointing me in the right direction. The
wife has her machine back and I can sleep tonight.
Cheers,
Mark
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* Re: [gentoo-user] problems with kernel upgrade - Intel i810 won't start
2008-11-08 4:25 ` Mark Knecht
@ 2008-11-08 6:01 ` Momesso Andrea
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Momesso Andrea @ 2008-11-08 6:01 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:25:21PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Andrey Falko <ma3oxuct@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Andrey Falko <ma3oxuct@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi,
> >> >>> It's been a long, long, long time since I've updated any kernels
> >> >>> but my wife's machine finally came up for review so I got started.
> >> >>> I've built and booted 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 but unfortunately I'm having
> >> >>> some trouble with the video driver. Note that this machine has run
> >> >>> Gentoo for a long time but last used a 2.6.20 kernel.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> When starting gdm I get a text screen telling me the X server
> >> >>> failed and showing these messages in the Xorg log file:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> dragonfly ~ # cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
> >> >>> Current Operating System: Linux dragonfly 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 #4 SMP
> >> >>> PREEMPT Fri Nov 7 16:23:23 PST 2008 i686
> >> >>> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
> >> >>> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
> >> >>> (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
> >> >>> (EE) No drivers available.
> >> >>> dragonfly ~ #
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Did you do something like this?:
> >> >>
> >> >> emerge x11-drivers/xf86-video-i810
> >> >>
> >> >> or this:
> >> >>
> >> >> add VIDEO_CARDS="i810" to make.conf
> >> >> then emerge -DuavN xorg-x11
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I do have the VIDEO_CARDS="i810" in make.conf but I haven't rebuilt
> >> > xorg-x11. Is that generally required when doing a kernel change these
> >> > days?
> >> >
> >> > I'm pretty sure the driver I loaded was from the kernel, not from X11
> >> > so that could easily be the problem.
> >> >
> >> > Let me work on it.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Mark
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hi Andrey,
> >> OK, I got it going. Thanks for your help. I had to change the
> >> VIDEO_CARDS setting to "intel", not the "i810" like it used to be, and
> >> then emerge xorg-server.
> >>
> >> Again, thanks for the pointer.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Mark
> >>
> >
> >
> > Cool. Good digging around on your part!
> >
>
> Yeah. Weird stuff. I looked in the install documents where it explains
> you have to use the VIDEO_CARDS= statement and couldn't find any
> pointer to pages that list what video cards are supported and how to
> get them. Eentually I just looked at the use flags for the xorg-server
> package and found the i810 isn't there anymore so I tried the intel
> flag and now it works.
>
> It shouldn't be so random! I pity new folks coming along these days.
> I'm not a sys admin at all. No IT degree. Don't run a Fortune 500
> company. Not a Comp Sci grad. I used to find what I was looking for
> pretty quickly in the Gentoo docs but it seems harder these days.
>
> Anyway, thanks SO much for pointing me in the right direction. The
> wife has her machine back and I can sleep tonight.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
You should also change the driver secion to "intel" in your xorg.conf.
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