Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[Steven Susbauer]

deface wrote:
>    I am reaching out to the community in search of someone, or someone
>who may know someone at either TEL-X (http://www.telx.com)
>or 56Marietta (http://www.56marietta.com). I'm sure everyone on this ML
>is aware that wiki is down. It may not concern some of you, as
>it is not an official documentation site; but for the rest of us, it is
>a very helpful resource. You can read the current status of the wiki as
>thrasher7 (Mike Valstar - mikevalstar<REMOVEME>@gmail.com) blogs it. Our
>options are stated, but we hope to find another through
>this e-mail. If anyone has any sort of contact with anyone at either of
>these locations, please let me or Mike know.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>deface

The Gentoo-Wiki and Gentoo-Portage pages are unofficial, but it would be
very nice if Gentoo was able to provide its own wiki service (and
Gentoo-Portage-like thing, packages.gentoo.org is nowhere near as
useful), possibly working with Mike on an official basis. I've always
been curious why the Foundation is passing up a great opporitunity to
have a lot of good, community based documentation especially for
projects and setups that Gentoo itself does not provide documentation
for, as well as an easy frontend for reading all about different ebuilds.

I am unfortunately unable to help with this predicament though plan on
putting in a donation once the sites are up. It does appear he was able
to get in touch with TelX so hopefully everything gets up and running
quickly.

  -Steve

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[Nick Pappin]

I would second all of this I use gentoo-wiki almost everyday and it is
killing me that it isnt up. I think this would be a great service if
we can give it to the community.

--
W. Nick Pappin
IT Staff
Latah Federal Credit Union
208.874.4394



On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:43 AM, Steven Susbauer
<stupendoussteve@hotmail.com> wrote:
> deface wrote:
>>
>>   I am reaching out to the community in search of someone, or someone
>> who may know someone at either TEL-X (http://www.telx.com)
>> or 56Marietta (http://www.56marietta.com). I'm sure everyone on this ML
>> is aware that wiki is down. It may not concern some of you, as
>> it is not an official documentation site; but for the rest of us, it is
>> a very helpful resource. You can read the current status of the wiki as
>> thrasher7 (Mike Valstar - mikevalstar<REMOVEME>@gmail.com) blogs it. Our
>> options are stated, but we hope to find another through
>> this e-mail. If anyone has any sort of contact with anyone at either of
>> these locations, please let me or Mike know.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> deface
>
> The Gentoo-Wiki and Gentoo-Portage pages are unofficial, but it would be
> very nice if Gentoo was able to provide its own wiki service (and
> Gentoo-Portage-like thing, packages.gentoo.org is nowhere near as
> useful), possibly working with Mike on an official basis. I've always
> been curious why the Foundation is passing up a great opporitunity to
> have a lot of good, community based documentation especially for
> projects and setups that Gentoo itself does not provide documentation
> for, as well as an easy frontend for reading all about different ebuilds.
>
> I am unfortunately unable to help with this predicament though plan on
> putting in a donation once the sites are up. It does appear he was able
> to get in touch with TelX so hopefully everything gets up and running
> quickly.
>
>  -Steve
>
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[deface]

Please read the latest news @ www.gentoo-wiki.com

deface

Nick Pappin wrote:
> I would second all of this I use gentoo-wiki almost everyday and it is
> killing me that it isnt up. I think this would be a great service if
> we can give it to the community.
>
> --
> W. Nick Pappin
> IT Staff
> Latah Federal Credit Union
> 208.874.4394
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:43 AM, Steven Susbauer
> <stupendoussteve@hotmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> deface wrote:
>>     
>>>   I am reaching out to the community in search of someone, or someone
>>> who may know someone at either TEL-X (http://www.telx.com)
>>> or 56Marietta (http://www.56marietta.com). I'm sure everyone on this ML
>>> is aware that wiki is down. It may not concern some of you, as
>>> it is not an official documentation site; but for the rest of us, it is
>>> a very helpful resource. You can read the current status of the wiki as
>>> thrasher7 (Mike Valstar - mikevalstar<REMOVEME>@gmail.com) blogs it. Our
>>> options are stated, but we hope to find another through
>>> this e-mail. If anyone has any sort of contact with anyone at either of
>>> these locations, please let me or Mike know.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> deface
>>>       
>> The Gentoo-Wiki and Gentoo-Portage pages are unofficial, but it would be
>> very nice if Gentoo was able to provide its own wiki service (and
>> Gentoo-Portage-like thing, packages.gentoo.org is nowhere near as
>> useful), possibly working with Mike on an official basis. I've always
>> been curious why the Foundation is passing up a great opporitunity to
>> have a lot of good, community based documentation especially for
>> projects and setups that Gentoo itself does not provide documentation
>> for, as well as an easy frontend for reading all about different ebuilds.
>>
>> I am unfortunately unable to help with this predicament though plan on
>> putting in a donation once the sites are up. It does appear he was able
>> to get in touch with TelX so hopefully everything gets up and running
>> quickly.
>>
>>  -Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>
>   

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[KH]

deface schrieb:
> Please read the latest news @ www.gentoo-wiki.com
>
> deface
>
> Nick Pappin wrote:
>> I would second all of this I use gentoo-wiki almost everyday and it is
>> killing me that it isnt up. I think this would be a great service if
>> we can give it to the community.
>>
>> -- 
>> W. Nick Pappin
>> IT Staff
>> Latah Federal Credit Union
>> 208.874.4394
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:43 AM, Steven Susbauer
>> <stupendoussteve@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>>>
>>>    
>>>>   I am reaching out to the community in search of someone, or someone
>>>> who may know someone at either TEL-X (http://www.telx.com)
>>>> or 56Marietta (http://www.56marietta.com). I'm sure everyone on
>>>> this ML
>>>> is aware that wiki is down. It may not concern some of you, as
>>>> it is not an official documentation site; but for the rest of us,
>>>> it is  
>>>   
>>  
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[Grant Edwards]

On 2008-10-24, deface <deface@uberpenguin.net> wrote:

> Please read the latest news @ www.gentoo-wiki.com

We can't.  It's down.

Care to share the news?

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[BRM]

They have a nice little site up at the www.gentoo-wiki.com site with all the grewsome details of what is going on.
So as he said, please go there for the latest news.

Looking forward to the new site, and restoration of www.gentoo-portage.com, a site I find to be extremely useful. :->

Ben



----- Original Message ----
From: Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:59:07 PM
Subject: [gentoo-user]  Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

On 2008-10-24, deface <deface@uberpenguin.net> wrote:

> Please read the latest news @ www.gentoo-wiki.com

We can't.  It's down.

Care to share the news?

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[deface]

On Oct 24, 2008, at 12:42 PM, BRM wrote:

> They have a nice little site up at the www.gentoo-wiki.com site with  
> all the grewsome details of what is going on.
> So as he said, please go there for the latest news.
>
> Looking forward to the new site, and restoration of www.gentoo-portage.com 
> , a site I find to be extremely useful. :->
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com>
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:59:07 PM
> Subject: [gentoo-user]  Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!
>
> On 2008-10-24, deface <deface@uberpenguin.net> wrote:
>
>> Please read the latest news @ www.gentoo-wiki.com
>
> We can't.  It's down.
>
> Care to share the news?
>
> -- 
> Grant
>


Sorry, we're temporarily experiencing some SYN DOS'n - you can also  
check the feeds on Twitter.

http://twitter.com/mikevalstar

deface

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 24 October 2008 19:42:57 BRM wrote:
> They have a nice little site up at the www.gentoo-wiki.com site with all
> the grewsome details of what is going on. So as he said, please go there
> for the latest news.

What I want to know is why there are no off-site backups.

The site is on a machine that is rented from somebody else who hires rack 
space from another party. This is just begging for a disaster, or data being 
held hostage. Which is what happened according to the write up at that 
address. It's also a single point of failure.

I have a response to that site owner and most here are not going to like it:

You are an idiot. This is an elementary error and you fully deserve what has 
happened. Now stop whinging about how the big bad nasty terrible person is 
treating you and actually take some responsibility for your own mistakes.

Wasn't this wiki also 0wned and defaced sometime in the last year?

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[kashani]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> I have a response to that site owner and most here are not going to like it:
> 
> You are an idiot. This is an elementary error and you fully deserve what has 
> happened. Now stop whinging about how the big bad nasty terrible person is 
> treating you and actually take some responsibility for your own mistakes.
> 
> Wasn't this wiki also 0wned and defaced sometime in the last year?
> 

http://gentoo-wiki.com/

"Just thought I would summarize for everyone who doesn't want to read 
all of the below stuff: everyone in this whole mess is at fault; I 
personally failed to do proper backups, TelX was a dick about billing 
and has been extorting customers, And Skiplink handled the situation 
VERY poorly on the customer service end IMHO."

You're a bit late to the blame party.

kashani

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[Grant Edwards]

On 2008-10-24, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday 24 October 2008 19:42:57 BRM wrote:
>> They have a nice little site up at the www.gentoo-wiki.com site with all
>> the grewsome details of what is going on. So as he said, please go there
>> for the latest news.
>
> What I want to know is why there are no off-site backups.

Because you never did any?

> I have a response to that site owner and most here are not
> going to like it:
>
> You are an idiot. This is an elementary error and you fully
> deserve what has happened. Now stop whinging about how the big
> bad nasty terrible person is treating you and actually take
> some responsibility for your own mistakes.

Feel free to put up a better site.

Either put up or shut up.

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[Nickolay Hodyunya]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:47:46PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2008-10-24, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday 24 October 2008 19:42:57 BRM wrote:
> >> They have a nice little site up at the www.gentoo-wiki.com site with all
> >> the grewsome details of what is going on. So as he said, please go there
> >> for the latest news.
> >
> > What I want to know is why there are no off-site backups.
> 
> Because you never did any?
> 
> > I have a response to that site owner and most here are not
> > going to like it:
> >
> > You are an idiot. This is an elementary error and you fully
> > deserve what has happened. Now stop whinging about how the big
> > bad nasty terrible person is treating you and actually take
> > some responsibility for your own mistakes.
> 
> Feel free to put up a better site.
> 
> Either put up or shut up.
put up, please :)
> 
> -- 
> Grant
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Regards, Nickolay Hodyunya.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[Davi Vidal]

On Friday 24 October 2008 17:36:05 Nickolay Hodyunya wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:47:46PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > On 2008-10-24, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Friday 24 October 2008 19:42:57 BRM wrote:
[...]
> > > You are an idiot. This is an elementary error and you fully
> > > deserve what has happened. Now stop whinging about how the big
> > > bad nasty terrible person is treating you and actually take
> > > some responsibility for your own mistakes.
> >
> > Feel free to put up a better site.
> >
> > Either put up or shut up.
>
> put up, please :)
>

	This was totally unnecessary.

	Are you trying to start an flame-war for nothing? If so, why?


	Best regards and sorry for my poor English,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[Davi Vidal]

	Sorry. I forget to remove the list's address from To:.

	My fault.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[deface]

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On Oct 24, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> On Friday 24 October 2008 19:42:57 BRM wrote:
>> They have a nice little site up at the www.gentoo-wiki.com site  
>> with all
>> the grewsome details of what is going on. So as he said, please go  
>> there
>> for the latest news.
>
> What I want to know is why there are no off-site backups.
>
> The site is on a machine that is rented from somebody else who hires  
> rack
> space from another party. This is just begging for a disaster, or  
> data being
> held hostage. Which is what happened according to the write up at that
> address. It's also a single point of failure.
>
> I have a response to that site owner and most here are not going to  
> like it:
>
> You are an idiot. This is an elementary error and you fully deserve  
> what has
> happened. Now stop whinging about how the big bad nasty terrible  
> person is
> treating you and actually take some responsibility for your own  
> mistakes.
>
> Wasn't this wiki also 0wned and defaced sometime in the last year?
>
> -- 
> alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>

The offsite backups, were actually on another server, on another link...
inside the same company. but yes, we are making the necessary provisions
this time around to suite the backups

deface

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[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[Kevin Monceaux]

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, deface wrote:

> The offsite backups, were actually on another server, on another link...
> inside the same company.

if (InsideTheSameCompany == AtTheSameLocation) then
     ThoseWereNotOffsiteBackups = True
end



Kevin
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[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[Grant Edwards]

On 2008-10-24, BRM <bm_witness@yahoo.com> wrote:

> They have a nice little site up at the www.gentoo-wiki.com
> site with all the grewsome details of what is going on. So as
> he said, please go there for the latest news.

It's there now, but when I tried earlier it was down.

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[Liviu Andronic]

On 10/24/08, Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com> wrote:
>  > Please read the latest news @ www.gentoo-wiki.com
>
>
> We can't.  It's down.
>
Here it opens. Perhaps try this:
http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/

Liviu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[Mike Edenfield]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2008-10-24, deface <deface@uberpenguin.net> wrote:
> 
>> Please read the latest news @ www.gentoo-wiki.com
> 
> We can't.  It's down.
> 
> Care to share the news?
> 

The domain name is not down, it just doesn't point at the wiki.  I'm 
looking at it now.

But summary:

"everyone in this whole mess is at fault".  No indication if and/or when 
the equipment will be "rescued" from coloc site; most recent content 
backup is from March; hosting providers bickering at each other and 
neither willing to help gentoo-wiki's admin get his data.

Gentoo-portage should be up tommorrow, gentoo-wiki will be back 
eventually, but all content on both sites is probably gone forever.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-wiki.com - Needs your help!

[b.n.]

Mike Edenfield ha scritto:

> Gentoo-portage should be up tommorrow, gentoo-wiki will be back
> eventually, but all content on both sites is probably gone forever.

Well, there are backups until March, and Google cache still holds
something. I had a similar failure on a wiki I was managing some time
ago -it was wiped away in the scribblewiki.com disaster. However thanks
to Google/MSN/Yahoo caches and internet archive, I was able to save
something.

If people go *now* and save caches of what they care about, maybe we can
save some brick from the pile of rubble. I personally saved the google
cache of a bunch of pages on the Macbook, since I need them :)

m.