[gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[Philip Webb]

OO 3.0.0 compiled successfully in   2 h 29 m  on this Core2 Duo machine,
but needed  5,3 MB  temporary disk space (ok here, but others beware).
It opened my usual spreadsheets & word-processing files correctly,
but the toolbar needs attention tomorrow.  Download is  346 MB .

Does anyone know why it wants 'xulrunner', which is not a use flag here ?

Portage has passed the  13 K  mark for packages.

Dillo 2.0 has been announced: it's very good to see it raised from the dead
& hopefully it will find its way into Gentoo fairly soon (smile to devs).

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Re: [gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[Philip Webb]

081019 Philip Webb wrote:
> OO 3.0.0 compiled successfully in   2 h 29 m  on this Core2 Duo machine,
> but needed  5,3 MB  temporary disk space (ok here, but others beware).

Sorry, that's  >= 5,3 GB  ... (red face)

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Re: [gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[Dale]

Philip Webb wrote:
> 081019 Philip Webb wrote:
>   
>> OO 3.0.0 compiled successfully in   2 h 29 m  on this Core2 Duo machine,
>> but needed  5,3 MB  temporary disk space (ok here, but others beware).
>>     
>
> Sorry, that's  >= 5,3 GB  ... (red face)
>
>   

Don't worry, we knew that was a boo boo.  OOo can't even load in that
little bit of ram much less compile.

I'm in the download step and will be for a loooooooonnnnnnnnnngggggg
time.  Stinking dial-up.  I need a lappy and a McDonalds burger. 
Wireless broadband there.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[KH]

Philip Webb schrieb:
> 081019 Philip Webb wrote:
>   
>> OO 3.0.0 compiled successfully in   2 h 29 m  on this Core2 Duo machine,
>> but needed  5,3 MB  temporary disk space (ok here, but others beware).
>>     
>
> Sorry, that's  >= 5,3 GB  ... (red face)
>
>   
Thanks for that info. Than I will have to build it without tmpfs. It's
much faster when it's only in ram.

kh

Re: [gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 19 October 2008 07:25:28 Philip Webb wrote:
> OO 3.0.0 compiled successfully in   2 h 29 m  on this Core2 Duo machine,
> but needed  5,3 MB  temporary disk space (ok here, but others beware).
> It opened my usual spreadsheets & word-processing files correctly,
> but the toolbar needs attention tomorrow.  Download is  346 MB .

Build time is coming down I see. The first time I build OOo (on a 686 amd) it 
took 12 hours. Now I get similar to you - 2h14

> Does anyone know why it wants 'xulrunner', which is not a use flag here ?

It's this:

DEPEND="${COMMON_DEPEND}
        nsplugin? ( || ( net-libs/xulrunner:1.8 net-libs/xulrunner:1.9 
=www-client/seamonkey-1* )
                >=dev-libs/nspr-4.6.6
                >=dev-libs/nss-3.11-r1 )

And later we have this snippet:

pkg_setup() {
        if use nsplugin; then
                if pkg-config --exists libxul; then
                        BRWS="libxul"
                elif pkg-config --exists xulrunner-xpcom; then
                        BRWS="xulrunner"
                elif pkg-config --exists seamonkey-xpcom; then
                        BRWS="seamonkey"
                else
                        die "USE flag [nsplugin] set but no installed 
xulrunner or seamonkey found!"
                fi
        fi
}

So basically it is dependant on the nsplugin USE flag, and will look for 
xulrunner or seamonkey to build against. If neither are found, you have an 
error condition.


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[gentoo-user] Re: progress everywhere !

[Grant Edwards]

On 2008-10-19, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday 19 October 2008 07:25:28 Philip Webb wrote:
>> OO 3.0.0 compiled successfully in   2 h 29 m  on this Core2 Duo machine,
>> but needed  5,3 MB  temporary disk space (ok here, but others beware).
>> It opened my usual spreadsheets & word-processing files correctly,
>> but the toolbar needs attention tomorrow.  Download is  346 MB .
>
> Build time is coming down I see. The first time I build OOo (on a 686 amd) it 
> took 12 hours. Now I get similar to you - 2h14

On some of my machines it still takes 12+ hours.

-- 
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: progress everywhere !

[Philip Webb]

081019 Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2008-10-19, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday 19 October 2008 07:25:28 Philip Webb wrote:
>>> OO 3.0.0 compiled successfully in   2 h 29 m  on this Core2 Duo machine,
>>> but needed  5,3 GB  temporary disk space (ok here, but others beware).
>> The first time I build OOo (on a 686 amd) it took 12 hours.
>> Now I get similar to you - 2h14
> On some of my machines it still takes 12+ hours.

On my back-up machine (AMD 2500+ , memory 1 GB : 2003), 2.4.1 took  > 5 hr .
My everyday box (Core 2 Duo 2650 , memory 2 GB (faster FSB) : 2007),
OO 2.4.1 took  2 h 14 m , so 3.0.0 is a bit more time-consuming;
the download is much more:  346 MB  against  c 200 MB 
(that doesn't include the wretched Xulrunner:  75 MB  &  15 m  to compile).
I suspect there wb pleas for help from users who run out of disk space:
earlier versions needed  < 3 GB , so this is a big jump,
esp as I have  2 GB  memory (I didn't check how much it was using).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: progress everywhere !

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 19 October 2008 18:48:37 Philip Webb wrote:
> I suspect there wb pleas for help from users who run out of disk space:
> earlier versions needed  < 3 GB , so this is a big jump,
> esp as I have  2 GB  memory (I didn't check how much it was using).

I have 4.5G free in /var and I've already run out of disk space TWICE trying 
to build OOo-3.0.0. I had to create a temporary logical volume and mount it 
at /var/tmp/portage/ just to get the thing to build.

This is getting insane. Sun needs to have a good long hard look at this build 
process - 5G+ to build a package that totals 380M when installed is just a 
tad over the top in my book

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: progress everywhere !

[KH]

Alan McKinnon schrieb:
> This is getting insane. Sun needs to have a good long hard look at this build 
> process - 5G+ to build a package that totals 380M when installed is just a 
> tad over the top in my book
>
>   
Someone once told me there is a library he needs for math and physics a
the university. The library is only like 500kb but it takes more than
4gb to build it. This is insane.

kh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: progress everywhere !

[Philip Webb]

081019 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sunday 19 October 2008 18:48:37 Philip Webb wrote:
>> I suspect there wb pleas for help from users who run out of disk space:
>> earlier versions needed  < 3 GB , so this is a big jump,
>> esp as I have  2 GB  memory (I didn't check how much it was using).
> I have 4.5G free in /var and I've already run out of disk space TWICE
> trying to build OOo-3.0.0.  I had to create a temporary logical volume
> and mount it at /var/tmp/portage/ just to get the thing to build.

I have a  20 GB  virtual hangar which I mount as  /z ,
where I create ISOs & also use for Portage builds as  /z/tmp
(this is set somewhere in  make.conf ; I do use LVM).
Ordinarily (eg now),  c 2,7 GB  are used, so there's plenty for OO.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: progress everywhere !

[Paul Hartman]

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> 081019 Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2008-10-19, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday 19 October 2008 07:25:28 Philip Webb wrote:
>>>> OO 3.0.0 compiled successfully in   2 h 29 m  on this Core2 Duo machine,
>>>> but needed  5,3 GB  temporary disk space (ok here, but others beware).
>>> The first time I build OOo (on a 686 amd) it took 12 hours.
>>> Now I get similar to you - 2h14
>> On some of my machines it still takes 12+ hours.
>
> On my back-up machine (AMD 2500+ , memory 1 GB : 2003), 2.4.1 took  > 5 hr .
> My everyday box (Core 2 Duo 2650 , memory 2 GB (faster FSB) : 2007),
> OO 2.4.1 took  2 h 14 m , so 3.0.0 is a bit more time-consuming;
> the download is much more:  346 MB  against  c 200 MB
> (that doesn't include the wretched Xulrunner:  75 MB  &  15 m  to compile).
> I suspect there wb pleas for help from users who run out of disk space:
> earlier versions needed  < 3 GB , so this is a big jump,
> esp as I have  2 GB  memory (I didn't check how much it was using).

On my system (Core 2 Duo E6600, overclocked to 3GHz) my OOo times were:

     Tue Aug 19 20:47:26 2008 >>> app-office/openoffice-2.4.1
       merge time: 2 hours, 43 minutes and 43 seconds.

     Fri Oct 17 21:22:31 2008 >>> app-office/openoffice-3.0.0
       merge time: 1 hour, 33 minutes and 40 seconds.

So the 3.0.0 compile is definitely faster by a lot for me. In 2.4.1 I
was able to use my 4 gig /dev/shm for my portage_tmpdir, but for 3.0.0
i had to comment out and use disk for temporary files. Maybe it could
have been even faster.

Thanks,
Paul

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: progress everywhere !

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:23:23 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:

> > Build time is coming down I see. The first time I build OOo (on a 686
> > amd) it took 12 hours. Now I get similar to you - 2h14  
> 
> On some of my machines it still takes 12+ hours.

OOo 3 builds faster than 2.4. 1h40 vs 2h45 on my desktop, but took
slightly longer on my Eee 10h45 :(


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Re: [gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[Philip Webb]

081019 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sunday 19 October 2008 07:25:28 Philip Webb wrote:
>> Does anyone know why it wants 'xulrunner', which is not a use flag here ?
> It's this [details snipped: thanks]:
> So basically it is dependant on the nsplugin USE flag
> and will look for xulrunner or seamonkey to build against.
> If neither are found, you have an error condition.

Thanks: Xulrunner is a big pkg in itself, but it seems unavoidable.

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Re: [gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 19 October 2008 18:52:24 Philip Webb wrote:
> 081019 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Sunday 19 October 2008 07:25:28 Philip Webb wrote:
> >> Does anyone know why it wants 'xulrunner', which is not a use flag here
> >> ?
> >
> > It's this [details snipped: thanks]:
> > So basically it is dependant on the nsplugin USE flag
> > and will look for xulrunner or seamonkey to build against.
> > If neither are found, you have an error condition.
>
> Thanks: Xulrunner is a big pkg in itself, but it seems unavoidable.

For probably the first time ever, I just had a look at that. And I'm asking 
myself - why does OOo have nsplugins support at all?

It's an office suite - I use it mostly to read documents other people send me, 
and because antiword is a little too minimal. What could OOo possibly do in 
my specific case that requires browser plugins? It's not like I'm in the 
habit of embedding java and flash applets into impress presentations

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Re: [gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[Walter Dnes]

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 07:58:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote

> It's an office suite - I use it mostly to read documents other people
> send me, and because antiword is a little too minimal.

  I'm happy with abiword for word processing and gnumeric for
spreadsheet stuff.

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Re: [gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[Erik Hahn]

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 07:58:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> For probably the first time ever, I just had a look at that. And I'm asking 
> myself - why does OOo have nsplugins support at all?
> 
> It's an office suite - I use it mostly to read documents other people send me, 
> and because antiword is a little too minimal. What could OOo possibly do in 
> my specific case that requires browser plugins? It's not like I'm in the 
> habit of embedding java and flash applets into impress presentations

With that use flag it provides plugins for viewing documents inside the
browser,

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Re: [gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 20 October 2008 12:26:11 Erik Hahn wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 07:58:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > For probably the first time ever, I just had a look at that. And I'm
> > asking myself - why does OOo have nsplugins support at all?
> >
> > It's an office suite - I use it mostly to read documents other people
> > send me, and because antiword is a little too minimal. What could OOo
> > possibly do in my specific case that requires browser plugins? It's not
> > like I'm in the habit of embedding java and flash applets into impress
> > presentations
>
> With that use flag it provides plugins for viewing documents inside the
> browser,

Oh, OK. 

So the flag lets browsers use OOo stuff, rather than the other way round as I 
assumed?

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Re: [gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[Erik Hahn]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:35:00PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Monday 20 October 2008 12:26:11 Erik Hahn wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 07:58:09PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > For probably the first time ever, I just had a look at that. And I'm
> > > asking myself - why does OOo have nsplugins support at all?
> > >
> > > It's an office suite - I use it mostly to read documents other people
> > > send me, and because antiword is a little too minimal. What could OOo
> > > possibly do in my specific case that requires browser plugins? It's not
> > > like I'm in the habit of embedding java and flash applets into impress
> > > presentations
> >
> > With that use flag it provides plugins for viewing documents inside the
> > browser,
> 
> Oh, OK. 
> 
> So the flag lets browsers use OOo stuff, rather than the other way round as I 
> assumed?

Yes, more or less like some PDF viewers.

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Re: [gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:52:24 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:

> Thanks: Xulrunner is a big pkg in itself, but it seems unavoidable.

It is entirely avoidable, by setting USE="-nsplugins". If you want to
view documents in Firefox, you would already have xulrunner installed, so
there's no problem there either.


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Re: [gentoo-user] progress everywhere !

[luis jure]

on 2008-10-19 at 01:25 Philip Webb wrote:

>Dillo 2.0 has been announced:

well, _that_ is good news. 

visiting the dillo home page (http://www.dillo.org/) i see that dillo
2.0 has been released, and there's even something about 2.1 in the
changelog. would it be too difficult to update the ebuild?

best,

lj