From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KomRl-00021O-7l for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:56:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC01AE0251; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8235E0251 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so315846ywm.46 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:56:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=t8W0lxFaow3xKTsyojxBvqu4v++wCq6dTDx/WV7Sm2k=; b=kAOv/fedeGzUe5JCCm3cgpOO2YyijSoz1Y/aQBX7SjNYM4LaayB4fRznBiDPriPLM7 4/D5FLg/vCB6FwSyMpAsLNaG891VUJ4D2wH+fX4x2wSQaxwBDHrX5eEk7T87m02bex5i AULvXTUEPAHZj88Q6PPFkMwb9dukOL5hPSpB8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=mfQvpeLmP9nnPjqWh9lEBp8P/oMp5OoL9xJpUf3jOfG7LnsANdIbmgkt4e3zw23ySo FkWZEKIfvtq8T5uDkl87NBqRXb1hRuBPsQVuINYILO8438HwvKeujDc52MpFc+kUcPQc FLRcp7kIR1CbMr80SYM115fpEpBeu1XhM3V3w= Received: by 10.150.192.7 with SMTP id p7mr4990206ybf.156.1223762181679; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.6? (dsl-243-231-180.telkomadsl.co.za [41.243.231.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm3274847ywf.2.2008.10.11.14.56.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Replacements for ivman Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:56:11 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200810111324.03589.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <200810112306.44525.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <48F11D55.5030906@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <48F11D55.5030906@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810112356.12128.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 1009a639-fddc-4d6d-86ae-877d8db1668b X-Archives-Hash: 5197580ecd53d4d23d07dadf0d625e87 On Saturday 11 October 2008 23:40:37 Daniel Pielmeier wrote: > > If there's something better than ivman, or if I really should be > > configuration HAL directly, then I'm all ears, but I do get the > > impression that one really should be working with HAL via a front-end for > > true ease of use > > I also think having software that is unmaintained or updated very seldom > is not a good thing. I mean you lack features, bug and security fixes > here. When I see no progress for an app that I use quite often I search > for alternatives and get used to it. > > You are right hal is quite messy and it is not worth to struggle with as > it is not developed any longer [1]. It will be replaced with > devicekit, maybe this will be a better implementation. [snip] > > [1] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/hal/2008-May/011560.html This was a *very* illuminating post. Answered a lot of questions I had, like the one where I couldn't figure out the conceptual difference between HAL and udev and how they related to each other. They always appeared to overlap in useless ways. Thanks for the link! -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com