[gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Andrew Gaydenko]

Hi!

I have notice KDE 4.1.2 ebuilds were added to the official protage tree 
(still masked though). I'm interested in most brave KDE users' opinions wrt 
some concrete KDE apps' stability under KDE4 (in order of importance):

KMail (without IMAP using)
Krusader 2.x (core, without 'Useractions')
Phonon (working with ALSA/hdsp)
Amarok 2.x (dealing with local files only)
Konsole (he-he :-) )
Kima applet
KNetLoad applet (if it works at all)
KSysGuard

And I'm not interested in other rather classic desktop (I mean I'm not going 
to use compiz and such ruches).


Andrew

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 04 Oktober 2008, Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have notice KDE 4.1.2 ebuilds were added to the official protage tree
> (still masked though). I'm interested in most brave KDE users' opinions wrt
> some concrete KDE apps' stability under KDE4 (in order of importance):
>
> KMail (without IMAP using)

works without any problems.

> Krusader 2.x (core, without 'Useractions')

don't know

> Phonon (working with ALSA/hdsp)

works well

> Amarok 2.x (dealing with local files only)

stay with amarok 1.4 ....

> Konsole (he-he :-) )

no problems there. But you might want to change some default settings to get 
the 'open tab' and 'close tab' buttons back

> Kima applet

doesn't exist

> KNetLoad applet (if it works at all)

don't even know if it exists.


for the two above: there are countless plasmoids, just look around.

> KSysGuard

works.

>
> And I'm not interested in other rather classic desktop (I mean I'm not
> going to use compiz and such ruches).

why compiz? kde 4.1 has rather nice effects build in (which can be turned off 
easily in systemsettings).

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Andrew Gaydenko]

Volker, thanks!

======= On Saturday 04 October 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: =======
> > Kima applet
>
> doesn't exist
>
> > KNetLoad applet (if it works at all)
>
> don't even know if it exists.
>
>
> for the two above: there are countless plasmoids, just look around.

As far as I have not KDE 4 installed, I can not look around yet :-)

> > And I'm not interested in other rather classic desktop (I mean I'm not
> > going to use compiz and such ruches).
>
> why compiz? kde 4.1 has rather nice effects build in (which can be turned
> off easily in systemsettings).


I mean multiple debates about KDE 4 and video-drivers.


Andrew

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 04 October 2008 16:30:35 Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have notice KDE 4.1.2 ebuilds were added to the official protage tree
> (still masked though). I'm interested in most brave KDE users' opinions wrt
> some concrete KDE apps' stability under KDE4 (in order of importance):

This all relates to 4.1.1, but should be mostly valid:

> KMail (without IMAP using)

Pretty stable. It certainly looks like 3.5.9 build against 4.1

> Krusader 2.x (core, without 'Useractions')

Dunno, I don't it use it

> Phonon (working with ALSA/hdsp)

Still trying to figure out how to use Phonon :-)

> Amarok 2.x (dealing with local files only)

OMFG. Eternal crashes and hangs. Inconsistent collection db. Waaaaaay too much 
pain for me to entertain it right now.

> Konsole (he-he :-) )

Works just fine. A few minor things are missing, like having the current 
command show in the title bar. But as a terminal it works very well

> Kima applet
> KNetLoad applet (if it works at all)
> KSysGuard

I don't use these at all. GKrellm kicks SysGuard's butt :-)


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 04 October 2008 17:28:32 Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> > why compiz? kde 4.1 has rather nice effects build in (which can be turned
> > off easily in systemsettings).
>
> I mean multiple debates about KDE 4 and video-drivers.

If you have a recent-ish nvidia card, you might want to treat KDE4 as 
experimental on your box till you find the magic spell that gives you decent 
performance...

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Andrew Gaydenko]

======= On Saturday 04 October 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: =======
> > I mean multiple debates about KDE 4 and video-drivers.
>
> If you have a recent-ish nvidia card, you might want to treat KDE4 as
> experimental on your box till you find the magic spell that gives you
> decent performance...

The thing is I have not nvidia (i810 driver is in use for g965-in-board), 
and I don't need performance. Stable 2D working is the only needed 
thing :-)


ANdrew

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 04 October 2008 17:54:59 Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> ======= On Saturday 04 October 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: =======
>
> > > I mean multiple debates about KDE 4 and video-drivers.
> >
> > If you have a recent-ish nvidia card, you might want to treat KDE4 as
> > experimental on your box till you find the magic spell that gives you
> > decent performance...
>
> The thing is I have not nvidia (i810 driver is in use for g965-in-board),
> and I don't need performance. Stable 2D working is the only needed
> thing :-)

So you are safe then.

I find it quite humorous that the crappy on-board Intel video chips give the 
best performance on KDE-4 :-)



-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 04 Oktober 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Saturday 04 October 2008 17:28:32 Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> > > why compiz? kde 4.1 has rather nice effects build in (which can be
> > > turned off easily in systemsettings).
> >
> > I mean multiple debates about KDE 4 and video-drivers.
>
> If you have a recent-ish nvidia card, you might want to treat KDE4 as
> experimental on your box till you find the magic spell that gives you
> decent performance...

the magic spells seems to be the latest beta-drivers from nvidia.

Or you just turn of desktop effects in system settings.

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 04 Oktober 2008, Andrew Gaydenko wrote:

> >
> > for the two above: there are countless plasmoids, just look around.
>
> As far as I have not KDE 4 installed, I can not look around yet :-)

kde-looks.org ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 04 Oktober 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:

>
> > Konsole (he-he :-) )
>
> Works just fine. A few minor things are missing, like having the current
> command show in the title bar.

well, with 4.1.68 it works (and I am too lazy to check 4.1.2 right now ;) )

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Andrew Gaydenko]

...
> I find it quite humorous that the crappy on-board Intel video chips give
> the best performance on KDE-4 :-)

Well, it's time to redefine the term "crappy" :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Andrew Gaydenko]

======= On Saturday 04 October 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: =======
...
> > Phonon (working with ALSA/hdsp)
>
> Still trying to figure out how to use Phonon :-)

Do you mean Phonon in common, or Phonon + RME card? The thing is, ALSA is 
some thing, but ALSA + hdsp is something another :-) - there are no common 
known alsamixer controls for hdsp driver.

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Andrew Gaydenko]

======= On Saturday 04 October 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: =======
> > Amarok 2.x (dealing with local files only)
>
> stay with amarok 1.4 ....

Do you mean, 1.4 does work under KDE4?

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 04 Oktober 2008, Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> ======= On Saturday 04 October 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: =======
>
> > > Amarok 2.x (dealing with local files only)
> >
> > stay with amarok 1.4 ....
>
> Do you mean, 1.4 does work under KDE4?

sure, as long as you keep 3.5 installed....

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Roy Wright]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> I don't use these at all. GKrellm kicks SysGuard's butt :-)

Wow!  I hadn't seen GKrellm before.  15 minutes of config and theme
selection and I'm sold!

Thank you,
Roy

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Dirk Heinrichs]

Am Samstag, 4. Oktober 2008 20:39:52 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> > > stay with amarok 1.4 ....
> >
> > Do you mean, 1.4 does work under KDE4?
>
> sure, as long as you keep 3.5 installed....

kdelibs plus eventually a handful other packages would be enough, I guess. 
emerge will take care of the details for you.

However, although amarok 2 isn't there yet, it's already quite useable. The 
only thing that really annoys me is that one has to stop the program to make 
it stop playing (but who does that anyway :-) ).

Bye...

	Dirk

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 04 October 2008 18:56:44 Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> ======= On Saturday 04 October 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: =======
>
> > > Amarok 2.x (dealing with local files only)
> >
> > stay with amarok 1.4 ....
>
> Do you mean, 1.4 does work under KDE4?

Yes and no. It works fine if KDE-4 is running, but uses 3.5 libs

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 04 October 2008 18:54:16 Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> ======= On Saturday 04 October 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: =======
> ...
>
> > > Phonon (working with ALSA/hdsp)
> >
> > Still trying to figure out how to use Phonon :-)
>
> Do you mean Phonon in common, or Phonon + RME card? The thing is, ALSA is
> some thing, but ALSA + hdsp is something another :-) - there are no common
> known alsamixer controls for hdsp driver.

Simpler than that - all I know about phonon is what the press release blurb 
says - a multimedia API that all apps can use and abstracts the hardware 
away.

Reading that and emerging kde-4 is the complete research I have done on it :-)

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 04 October 2008 18:30:02 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Samstag 04 Oktober 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 October 2008 17:28:32 Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> > > > why compiz? kde 4.1 has rather nice effects build in (which can be
> > > > turned off easily in systemsettings).
> > >
> > > I mean multiple debates about KDE 4 and video-drivers.
> >
> > If you have a recent-ish nvidia card, you might want to treat KDE4 as
> > experimental on your box till you find the magic spell that gives you
> > decent performance...
>
> the magic spells seems to be the latest beta-drivers from nvidia.
>
> Or you just turn of desktop effects in system settings.

I'm using 177.70 and a decent kick-ass card on this Dell M1530. Also use the 
recommended settings from NVidia using nvidia-settings. But performance is 
still laggy. 

I have however solved the issue - went back to 3.5.10 (playing is nice but I 
need to get work done too)

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Some KDE apps under KDE4 stability

[Dale]

Roy Wright wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>   
>> I don't use these at all. GKrellm kicks SysGuard's butt :-)
>>     
>
> Wow!  I hadn't seen GKrellm before.  15 minutes of config and theme
> selection and I'm sold!
>
> Thank you,
> Roy
>
>
>
>   

I think there are almost 200 different themes, skins or whatever they
are called.  You can emerge them I think.  I got 193 on mine.  ;-)

Gkrellm rocks tho.  You just have to play with it to see what all it can
monitor and do.

Dale

:-)  :-)