From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOuB6-0000m8-Mt for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:56:16 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62A7BE01F1; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453A9E01F1 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bzk0711@aim.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id 5.c39.399db843 (37257) for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vrpc02.rz.rwth-aachen.de (vrpc02.rz.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.70.71]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA077-9189489307e0cf; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:56:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:56:10 +0200 From: Patric Schmitz To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Mail on multiple laptops Message-ID: <20080801145610.163242b9@vrpc02.rz.rwth-aachen.de> In-Reply-To: <20080715160943.GA8365@ackbar.home> References: <20080715130534.GA32331@ackbar.home> <200807151711.34673.Nicolai.Beuermann@gmx.de> <20080715155049.GA20028@ackbar.home> <20080715160943.GA8365@ackbar.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.10; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 134.130.70.71 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Archives-Salt: 95a23295-b7e3-41a3-98ae-5bb728dc651c X-Archives-Hash: 82f8ffd955c3fd4ddef1b76ed3ad5fed On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:09:44 -0400 Michael Pobega wrote: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 04:02:07PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: > Yeah, my debian-user folder is at 54,000 e-mails now. It's pretty > crazy, it takes me about four minutes to access it. I don't know why > Mutt needs to continually cache the data, I thought the idea of > caches was to prevent things like this from happening? That is crazy indeed. I had the same "problem" here and thought a bit about it, and so, just to hopefully clear this up for others: Why should one store years old mailing lists mail _on the server_ for ever? Why is IMAP useful, because you can access your mails from anywhere and from multiple clients. But that counts only for those mails which have a chance to be of interest at different places (complete personal email, probably). This is certainly not the case for year old mailinglist mails (which are, in the case of debian-user at least, also available from public archives). Why store these maybe hundred of megabytes of mail on the server, there is just no reason. And it should not surprise that clients (and i guess servers alike) need a huge amount of time to scan through huge directories, even if only comparing the local cache. If you don't trust the public mailing list archives, do it like I did for now. Create a local mailbox (you have to find some certain machine for this of course, i suggest your desktop at home). I called it "archived mail". Then create e.g. a folder debian-user and just move all mails from the IMAP server to that local folder. Afterwards you can still access your archived mails from that list, just not from everywhere (well actually you can by using the public archives), but you have to ask yourself again: Why should i need that? Now I have the huge folders lying on my hard-disk, i can search _quickly_ through tenthousands of mails, and the access time for opening the remote folders is greatly reduced. If I feel like cleaning up again, maybe after 1-2k mails, i just move them over again. Reducing unneccessary traffic, saving precious resources, and able to search the archive much quicker. This is just my opinon, maybe someone who had _all_ his mails on IMAP till now might rethink this. Cheers, Patric