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* [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
@ 2008-07-05 23:04 Matthew R. Lee
  2008-07-05 23:15 ` Mick
  2008-07-06 13:49 ` Neil Bothwick
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Matthew R. Lee @ 2008-07-05 23:04 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

I've just compiled a new kernel, but when I reboot grub will not load the new 
kernel. I get error 15 (file not found). But the file is there.
Yes grub is install properly and yes the boot partition was mounted when I 
copied the new kernel across and changed the grub.conf. What's really 
confusing me is there's no syntax error in the grub.conf that I can see, and 
the first kernel on the list boots fine.  Anyone got any cluse as to why grub 
can't see the second kernel?

[grub.conf]
default 0

timeout 30

splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz

title=Gentoo 2.6.22-r2

root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3 
video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70

title=Gentoo 2.6.24-r8

root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-r8 root=/dev/sda3 
video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70

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Instituto Biologia Marina 'Jurgen Winter'
Universidad Austral de Chile
Campus Isla Teja
Valdivia

matt@matthewlee.org

URL: meiochile.matthewlee.org
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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-05 23:04 [gentoo-user] grub boot problem Matthew R. Lee
@ 2008-07-05 23:15 ` Mick
  2008-07-05 23:38   ` Matthew R. Lee
  2008-07-06 13:49 ` Neil Bothwick
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2008-07-05 23:15 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Sunday 06 July 2008, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> I've just compiled a new kernel, but when I reboot grub will not load the
> new kernel. I get error 15 (file not found). But the file is there.
> Yes grub is install properly and yes the boot partition was mounted when I
> copied the new kernel across and changed the grub.conf. What's really
> confusing me is there's no syntax error in the grub.conf that I can see,
> and the first kernel on the list boots fine.  Anyone got any cluse as to
> why grub can't see the second kernel?
>
> [grub.conf]
> default 0
>
> timeout 30
>
> splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
>
> title=Gentoo 2.6.22-r2
>
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
>
> title=Gentoo 2.6.24-r8
>
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-r8 root=/dev/sda3
> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70

Could you please show us:

$ mount

and 

# ls -la /boot

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Regards,
Mick

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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-05 23:15 ` Mick
@ 2008-07-05 23:38   ` Matthew R. Lee
  2008-07-05 23:47     ` Matt Harrison
  2008-07-06  0:27     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Matthew R. Lee @ 2008-07-05 23:38 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Saturday 05 July 2008 19:15:05 Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 06 July 2008, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> > I've just compiled a new kernel, but when I reboot grub will not load the
> > new kernel. I get error 15 (file not found). But the file is there.
> > Yes grub is install properly and yes the boot partition was mounted when
> > I copied the new kernel across and changed the grub.conf. What's really
> > confusing me is there's no syntax error in the grub.conf that I can see,
> > and the first kernel on the list boots fine.  Anyone got any cluse as to
> > why grub can't see the second kernel?
> >
> > [grub.conf]
> > default 0
> >
> > timeout 30
> >
> > splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> >
> > title=Gentoo 2.6.22-r2
> >
> > root (hd0,0)
> > kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> > video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
> >
> > title=Gentoo 2.6.24-r8
> >
> > root (hd0,0)
> > kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-r8 root=/dev/sda3
> > video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
>
> Could you please show us:
>
> $ mount
>
> and
>
> # ls -la /boot

/dev/sda3 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec)
udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,nosuid)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec)
shm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,devmode=0664,devgid=85)
/dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw)

total 17256
drwxr-xr-x  5 root root    1024 Jul  5 18:28 .
drwxr-xr-x 21 root root    4096 Dec 29  2007 ..
drwxr-xr-x  4 root root    1024 Aug 16  2007 boot
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   37395 Dec 25  2006 config-2.6.18-r5
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   35286 Dec 28  2006 config-2.6.18-r6
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   29907 Jul 19  2007 config-2.6.21-r4
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   39449 Aug  4  2007 config-2.6.22-r2
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   44583 Jul  5 18:48 config-2.6.24-r8
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   44541 Jun 23 18:25 config-2.6.25-r5
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root    1024 Jun 23 17:02 grub
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  486761 Oct  7  2006 initrd.img-2.6.17-sata
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 1637016 Dec 25  2006 kernel-2.6.18-r5
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 1606118 Dec 28  2006 kernel-2.6.18-r6
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 1916280 Jul 19  2007 kernel-2.6.21-r4
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 1740624 Aug  4  2007 kernel-2.6.22-r2
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 1847000 Jul  5 18:48 kernel-2.6.24-r8
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 2952220 Jun 23 18:24 kernel-2.6.25-r5
drwx------  2 root root   12288 Dec 27  2007 lost+found
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  738926 Dec 25  2006 system.map-2.6.18-r5
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  712206 Dec 28  2006 system.map-2.6.18-r6
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  813409 Jul 19  2007 system.map-2.6.21-r4
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  810321 Aug  4  2007 system.map-2.6.22-r2
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  870491 Jul  5 18:48 system.map-2.6.24-r8
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 1183038 Jun 23 18:25 system.map-2.6.25-r5

I should probably give /boot a clean, but could this be the problem?

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Dr. Matthew R. Lee
Instituto Biologia Marina 'Jurgen Winter'
Universidad Austral de Chile
Campus Isla Teja
Valdivia

matt@matthewlee.org

URL: meiochile.matthewlee.org
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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-05 23:38   ` Matthew R. Lee
@ 2008-07-05 23:47     ` Matt Harrison
  2008-07-05 23:59       ` Dale
  2008-07-06  0:13       ` Matthew R. Lee
  2008-07-06  0:27     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Matt Harrison @ 2008-07-05 23:47 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> On Saturday 05 July 2008 19:15:05 Mick wrote:
>> On Sunday 06 July 2008, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
>>> I've just compiled a new kernel, but when I reboot grub will not load the
>>> new kernel. I get error 15 (file not found). But the file is there.
>>> Yes grub is install properly and yes the boot partition was mounted when
>>> I copied the new kernel across and changed the grub.conf. What's really
>>> confusing me is there's no syntax error in the grub.conf that I can see,
>>> and the first kernel on the list boots fine.  Anyone got any cluse as to
>>> why grub can't see the second kernel?
>>>
>>> [grub.conf]
>>> default 0
>>>
>>> timeout 30
>>>
>>> splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
>>>
>>> title=Gentoo 2.6.22-r2
>>>
>>> root (hd0,0)
>>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
>>> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
>>>
>>> title=Gentoo 2.6.24-r8
>>>
>>> root (hd0,0)
>>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-r8 root=/dev/sda3
>>> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
>> Could you please show us:
>>
>> $ mount
>>
>> and
>>
>> # ls -la /boot
> 
> /dev/sda3 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime)
> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec)
> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,nosuid)
> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec)
> shm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,devmode=0664,devgid=85)
> /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw)
> 
> total 17256
> drwxr-xr-x  5 root root    1024 Jul  5 18:28 .
> drwxr-xr-x 21 root root    4096 Dec 29  2007 ..
> drwxr-xr-x  4 root root    1024 Aug 16  2007 boot
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   37395 Dec 25  2006 config-2.6.18-r5
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   35286 Dec 28  2006 config-2.6.18-r6
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   29907 Jul 19  2007 config-2.6.21-r4
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   39449 Aug  4  2007 config-2.6.22-r2
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   44583 Jul  5 18:48 config-2.6.24-r8
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   44541 Jun 23 18:25 config-2.6.25-r5
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root    1024 Jun 23 17:02 grub
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  486761 Oct  7  2006 initrd.img-2.6.17-sata
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1637016 Dec 25  2006 kernel-2.6.18-r5
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1606118 Dec 28  2006 kernel-2.6.18-r6
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1916280 Jul 19  2007 kernel-2.6.21-r4
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1740624 Aug  4  2007 kernel-2.6.22-r2
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1847000 Jul  5 18:48 kernel-2.6.24-r8
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 2952220 Jun 23 18:24 kernel-2.6.25-r5
> drwx------  2 root root   12288 Dec 27  2007 lost+found
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  738926 Dec 25  2006 system.map-2.6.18-r5
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  712206 Dec 28  2006 system.map-2.6.18-r6
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  813409 Jul 19  2007 system.map-2.6.21-r4
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  810321 Aug  4  2007 system.map-2.6.22-r2
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  870491 Jul  5 18:48 system.map-2.6.24-r8
> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1183038 Jun 23 18:25 system.map-2.6.25-r5
> 
> I should probably give /boot a clean, but could this be the problem?
> 

According to your grub.conf your default is the top entry, but the 
kernel image for that doesn't exist in your boot partition.

kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3

should probably be

kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2 root=/dev/sda3

Thats if 2.6.22-r2 is the kernel your trying to boot.

HTH

Matt
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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-05 23:47     ` Matt Harrison
@ 2008-07-05 23:59       ` Dale
  2008-07-06  0:13       ` Matthew R. Lee
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Dale @ 2008-07-05 23:59 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Matt Harrison wrote:
> Matthew R. Lee wrote:
>> On Saturday 05 July 2008 19:15:05 Mick wrote:
>>> On Sunday 06 July 2008, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
>>>> I've just compiled a new kernel, but when I reboot grub will not 
>>>> load the
>>>> new kernel. I get error 15 (file not found). But the file is there.
>>>> Yes grub is install properly and yes the boot partition was mounted 
>>>> when
>>>> I copied the new kernel across and changed the grub.conf. What's 
>>>> really
>>>> confusing me is there's no syntax error in the grub.conf that I can 
>>>> see,
>>>> and the first kernel on the list boots fine.  Anyone got any cluse 
>>>> as to
>>>> why grub can't see the second kernel?
>>>>
>>>> [grub.conf]
>>>> default 0
>>>>
>>>> timeout 30
>>>>
>>>> splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
>>>>
>>>> title=Gentoo 2.6.22-r2
>>>>
>>>> root (hd0,0)
>>>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
>>>> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
>>>>
>>>> title=Gentoo 2.6.24-r8
>>>>
>>>> root (hd0,0)
>>>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-r8 root=/dev/sda3
>>>> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
>>> Could you please show us:
>>>
>>> $ mount
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> # ls -la /boot
>>
>> /dev/sda3 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime)
>> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
>> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec)
>> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,nosuid)
>> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec)
>> shm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
>> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs 
>> (rw,noexec,nosuid,devmode=0664,devgid=85)
>> /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw)
>>
>> total 17256
>> drwxr-xr-x  5 root root    1024 Jul  5 18:28 .
>> drwxr-xr-x 21 root root    4096 Dec 29  2007 ..
>> drwxr-xr-x  4 root root    1024 Aug 16  2007 boot
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   37395 Dec 25  2006 config-2.6.18-r5
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   35286 Dec 28  2006 config-2.6.18-r6
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   29907 Jul 19  2007 config-2.6.21-r4
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   39449 Aug  4  2007 config-2.6.22-r2
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   44583 Jul  5 18:48 config-2.6.24-r8
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   44541 Jun 23 18:25 config-2.6.25-r5
>> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root    1024 Jun 23 17:02 grub
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  486761 Oct  7  2006 initrd.img-2.6.17-sata
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1637016 Dec 25  2006 kernel-2.6.18-r5
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1606118 Dec 28  2006 kernel-2.6.18-r6
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1916280 Jul 19  2007 kernel-2.6.21-r4
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1740624 Aug  4  2007 kernel-2.6.22-r2
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1847000 Jul  5 18:48 kernel-2.6.24-r8
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 2952220 Jun 23 18:24 kernel-2.6.25-r5
>> drwx------  2 root root   12288 Dec 27  2007 lost+found
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  738926 Dec 25  2006 system.map-2.6.18-r5
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  712206 Dec 28  2006 system.map-2.6.18-r6
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  813409 Jul 19  2007 system.map-2.6.21-r4
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  810321 Aug  4  2007 system.map-2.6.22-r2
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  870491 Jul  5 18:48 system.map-2.6.24-r8
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1183038 Jun 23 18:25 system.map-2.6.25-r5
>>
>> I should probably give /boot a clean, but could this be the problem?
>>
>
> According to your grub.conf your default is the top entry, but the 
> kernel image for that doesn't exist in your boot partition.
>
> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
>
> should probably be
>
> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2 root=/dev/sda3
>
> Thats if 2.6.22-r2 is the kernel your trying to boot.
>
> HTH
>
> Matt

Hi,

Another thing you can try is tab completion in the grub menu.  Just hit 
the "e" key twice and let grub help you with what kernels it can see. 

Hope that helps.

Dale

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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-05 23:47     ` Matt Harrison
  2008-07-05 23:59       ` Dale
@ 2008-07-06  0:13       ` Matthew R. Lee
  2008-07-06  0:33         ` Matthew R. Lee
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Matthew R. Lee @ 2008-07-06  0:13 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Saturday 05 July 2008 19:47:10 Matt Harrison wrote:
> Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> > On Saturday 05 July 2008 19:15:05 Mick wrote:
> >> On Sunday 06 July 2008, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> >>> I've just compiled a new kernel, but when I reboot grub will not load
> >>> the new kernel. I get error 15 (file not found). But the file is there.
> >>> Yes grub is install properly and yes the boot partition was mounted
> >>> when I copied the new kernel across and changed the grub.conf. What's
> >>> really confusing me is there's no syntax error in the grub.conf that I
> >>> can see, and the first kernel on the list boots fine.  Anyone got any
> >>> cluse as to why grub can't see the second kernel?
> >>>
> >>> [grub.conf]
> >>> default 0
> >>>
> >>> timeout 30
> >>>
> >>> splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> >>>
> >>> title=Gentoo 2.6.22-r2
> >>>
> >>> root (hd0,0)
> >>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> >>> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
> >>>
> >>> title=Gentoo 2.6.24-r8
> >>>
> >>> root (hd0,0)
> >>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-r8 root=/dev/sda3
> >>> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
> >>
> >> Could you please show us:
> >>
> >> $ mount
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> # ls -la /boot
> >
> > /dev/sda3 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime)
> > proc on /proc type proc (rw)
> > sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec)
> > udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,nosuid)
> > devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec)
> > shm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> > usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs
> > (rw,noexec,nosuid,devmode=0664,devgid=85) /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2
> > (rw)
> >
> > total 17256
> > drwxr-xr-x  5 root root    1024 Jul  5 18:28 .
> > drwxr-xr-x 21 root root    4096 Dec 29  2007 ..
> > drwxr-xr-x  4 root root    1024 Aug 16  2007 boot
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root   37395 Dec 25  2006 config-2.6.18-r5
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root   35286 Dec 28  2006 config-2.6.18-r6
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root   29907 Jul 19  2007 config-2.6.21-r4
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root   39449 Aug  4  2007 config-2.6.22-r2
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root   44583 Jul  5 18:48 config-2.6.24-r8
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root   44541 Jun 23 18:25 config-2.6.25-r5
> > drwxr-xr-x  2 root root    1024 Jun 23 17:02 grub
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root  486761 Oct  7  2006 initrd.img-2.6.17-sata
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1637016 Dec 25  2006 kernel-2.6.18-r5
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1606118 Dec 28  2006 kernel-2.6.18-r6
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1916280 Jul 19  2007 kernel-2.6.21-r4
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1740624 Aug  4  2007 kernel-2.6.22-r2
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1847000 Jul  5 18:48 kernel-2.6.24-r8
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 2952220 Jun 23 18:24 kernel-2.6.25-r5
> > drwx------  2 root root   12288 Dec 27  2007 lost+found
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root  738926 Dec 25  2006 system.map-2.6.18-r5
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root  712206 Dec 28  2006 system.map-2.6.18-r6
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root  813409 Jul 19  2007 system.map-2.6.21-r4
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root  810321 Aug  4  2007 system.map-2.6.22-r2
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root  870491 Jul  5 18:48 system.map-2.6.24-r8
> > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1183038 Jun 23 18:25 system.map-2.6.25-r5
> >
> > I should probably give /boot a clean, but could this be the problem?
>
> According to your grub.conf your default is the top entry, but the
> kernel image for that doesn't exist in your boot partition.
>
> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
>
> should probably be
>
> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2 root=/dev/sda3
>
> Thats if 2.6.22-r2 is the kernel your trying to boot.
>
> HTH
>
> Matt

This is wierd, I hadn't noticed that, but that's not causing the problem.
I'm running the 2.6.22-r2 kernel now, that's the one that boots, the 2.6.24-r8 
is the one grub can't find. 
Matt

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Instituto Biologia Marina 'Jurgen Winter'
Universidad Austral de Chile
Campus Isla Teja
Valdivia

matt@matthewlee.org

URL: meiochile.matthewlee.org
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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-05 23:38   ` Matthew R. Lee
  2008-07-05 23:47     ` Matt Harrison
@ 2008-07-06  0:27     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2008-07-06  0:27 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

one question:

why don't you use 'make install' and have a 'vmlinuz' and 'vmlinuz.old' entry 
in menu.lst/grub.conf?

that solves/prevents lots of errors.


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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-06  0:13       ` Matthew R. Lee
@ 2008-07-06  0:33         ` Matthew R. Lee
  2008-07-06  7:05           ` Dirk Heinrichs
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Matthew R. Lee @ 2008-07-06  0:33 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Saturday 05 July 2008 20:13:20 Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> On Saturday 05 July 2008 19:47:10 Matt Harrison wrote:
> > Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> > > On Saturday 05 July 2008 19:15:05 Mick wrote:
> > >> On Sunday 06 July 2008, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> > >>> I've just compiled a new kernel, but when I reboot grub will not load
> > >>> the new kernel. I get error 15 (file not found). But the file is
> > >>> there. Yes grub is install properly and yes the boot partition was
> > >>> mounted when I copied the new kernel across and changed the
> > >>> grub.conf. What's really confusing me is there's no syntax error in
> > >>> the grub.conf that I can see, and the first kernel on the list boots
> > >>> fine.  Anyone got any cluse as to why grub can't see the second
> > >>> kernel?
> > >>>
> > >>> [grub.conf]
> > >>> default 0
> > >>>
> > >>> timeout 30
> > >>>
> > >>> splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> > >>>
> > >>> title=Gentoo 2.6.22-r2
> > >>>
> > >>> root (hd0,0)
> > >>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> > >>> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
> > >>>
> > >>> title=Gentoo 2.6.24-r8
> > >>>
> > >>> root (hd0,0)
> > >>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-r8 root=/dev/sda3
> > >>> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
> > >>
> > >> Could you please show us:
> > >>
> > >> $ mount
> > >>
> > >> and
> > >>
> > >> # ls -la /boot
> > >
> > > /dev/sda3 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime)
> > > proc on /proc type proc (rw)
> > > sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec)
> > > udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,nosuid)
> > > devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec)
> > > shm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> > > usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs
> > > (rw,noexec,nosuid,devmode=0664,devgid=85) /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2
> > > (rw)
> > >
> > > total 17256
> > > drwxr-xr-x  5 root root    1024 Jul  5 18:28 .
> > > drwxr-xr-x 21 root root    4096 Dec 29  2007 ..
> > > drwxr-xr-x  4 root root    1024 Aug 16  2007 boot
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root   37395 Dec 25  2006 config-2.6.18-r5
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root   35286 Dec 28  2006 config-2.6.18-r6
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root   29907 Jul 19  2007 config-2.6.21-r4
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root   39449 Aug  4  2007 config-2.6.22-r2
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root   44583 Jul  5 18:48 config-2.6.24-r8
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root   44541 Jun 23 18:25 config-2.6.25-r5
> > > drwxr-xr-x  2 root root    1024 Jun 23 17:02 grub
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root  486761 Oct  7  2006 initrd.img-2.6.17-sata
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1637016 Dec 25  2006 kernel-2.6.18-r5
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1606118 Dec 28  2006 kernel-2.6.18-r6
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1916280 Jul 19  2007 kernel-2.6.21-r4
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1740624 Aug  4  2007 kernel-2.6.22-r2
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1847000 Jul  5 18:48 kernel-2.6.24-r8
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 2952220 Jun 23 18:24 kernel-2.6.25-r5
> > > drwx------  2 root root   12288 Dec 27  2007 lost+found
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root  738926 Dec 25  2006 system.map-2.6.18-r5
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root  712206 Dec 28  2006 system.map-2.6.18-r6
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root  813409 Jul 19  2007 system.map-2.6.21-r4
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root  810321 Aug  4  2007 system.map-2.6.22-r2
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root  870491 Jul  5 18:48 system.map-2.6.24-r8
> > > -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1183038 Jun 23 18:25 system.map-2.6.25-r5
> > >
> > > I should probably give /boot a clean, but could this be the problem?
> >
> > According to your grub.conf your default is the top entry, but the
> > kernel image for that doesn't exist in your boot partition.
> >
> > kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> >
> > should probably be
> >
> > kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2 root=/dev/sda3
> >
> > Thats if 2.6.22-r2 is the kernel your trying to boot.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Matt
>
> This is wierd, I hadn't noticed that, but that's not causing the problem.
> I'm running the 2.6.22-r2 kernel now, that's the one that boots, the
> 2.6.24-r8 is the one grub can't find.
> Matt
Ok,
I figured out the problem, but no why it's happened. If you look at the output 
of ls -la /boot there is another folder /boot and within this a symlink /boot 
(./) By copying the kernel to this folder and modifiying the grub.conf in the 
associated /grub folder the the new kernel boots.
Question is how did I come to have a cascade of boot folders and how do I get 
things back the way they should be?

Matt

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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-06  0:33         ` Matthew R. Lee
@ 2008-07-06  7:05           ` Dirk Heinrichs
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Dirk Heinrichs @ 2008-07-06  7:05 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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Am Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008 schrieb Matthew R. Lee:

> > > >>> [grub.conf]
> > > >>> default 0
> > > >>>
> > > >>> timeout 30
> > > >>>
> > > >>> splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> > > >>>
> > > >>> title=Gentoo 2.6.22-r2
> > > >>>
> > > >>> root (hd0,0)
> > > >>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> > > >>> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
> > > >>>
> > > >>> title=Gentoo 2.6.24-r8
> > > >>>
> > > >>> root (hd0,0)
> > > >>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-r8 root=/dev/sda3
> > > >>> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
>
> Ok,
> I figured out the problem, but no why it's happened. If you look at the
> output of ls -la /boot there is another folder /boot and within this a
> symlink /boot (./) By copying the kernel to this folder and modifiying the
> grub.conf in the associated /grub folder the the new kernel boots.
> Question is how did I come to have a cascade of boot folders and how do I
> get things back the way they should be?

Don't know how you got there, but to get things back to normal you should 
remove /boot/boot and make it a symlink to /boot:

cd /boot
rm -rf boot
ln -s . boot

I would also revise grub.conf a bit:

default 0
timeout 30
root (hd0,0)
splashimage=/grub/splash.xpm.gz

title=Gentoo 2.6.22-r2
	kernel /kernel-2.6.22-r2 root=/dev/sda3 
video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70  <- On one line, of course

title=Gentoo 2.6.24-r8
	kernel /kernel-2.6.24-r8 root=/dev/sda3 
video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70

Optionally, you could also reinstall grub to your MBR, by running grub (or was 
it grub-shell?) and issue the following commands:

root (hd0,0)
setup (hd0)

HTH...

	Dirk

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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-05 23:04 [gentoo-user] grub boot problem Matthew R. Lee
  2008-07-05 23:15 ` Mick
@ 2008-07-06 13:49 ` Neil Bothwick
  2008-07-06 14:23   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2008-07-06 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:04:08 -0400, Matthew R. Lee wrote:

> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3 
> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70

If hd0,0 is your boot partition, you shouldn't have /boot in the kernel
line, just

kernel /kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3 

In GRUB, all paths are relative to the root.


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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-06 13:49 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2008-07-06 14:23   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  2008-07-06 14:41     ` Mick
  2008-07-06 14:47     ` Dirk Heinrichs
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2008-07-06 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:04:08 -0400, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> > root (hd0,0)
> > kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> > video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
>
> If hd0,0 is your boot partition, you shouldn't have /boot in the kernel
> line, just
>
> kernel /kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
>
> In GRUB, all paths are relative to the root.

really? I boot this for years, after nothing else worked:

title=2.6
root (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3 nmi_watchdog=0

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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-06 14:23   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
@ 2008-07-06 14:41     ` Mick
  2008-07-06 14:47       ` Dirk Heinrichs
  2008-07-06 15:12       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  2008-07-06 14:47     ` Dirk Heinrichs
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2008-07-06 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Sunday 06 July 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:04:08 -0400, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> > > root (hd0,0)
> > > kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> > > video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
> >
> > If hd0,0 is your boot partition, you shouldn't have /boot in the kernel
> > line, just
> >
> > kernel /kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> >
> > In GRUB, all paths are relative to the root.
>
> really? I boot this for years, after nothing else worked:
>
> title=2.6
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3 nmi_watchdog=0

Hmm, have you this in place?

lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   1 Mar 26  2006 boot -> .

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-06 14:23   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  2008-07-06 14:41     ` Mick
@ 2008-07-06 14:47     ` Dirk Heinrichs
  2008-07-06 15:12       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Dirk Heinrichs @ 2008-07-06 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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Am Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> On Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > If hd0,0 is your boot partition, you shouldn't have /boot in the kernel
> > line, just
> >
> > kernel /kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> >
> > In GRUB, all paths are relative to the root.
>
> really? I boot this for years, after nothing else worked:
>
> title=2.6
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3 nmi_watchdog=0

Hmm, you should usually be able to transform this to:

root (hd0,0)

title=whatever
	kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3 nmi_watchdog=0

What's this nmi_watchdog=0 good for (just curious)?

Bye...

	Dirk

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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-06 14:41     ` Mick
@ 2008-07-06 14:47       ` Dirk Heinrichs
  2008-07-06 15:08         ` Alan McKinnon
  2008-07-06 15:12       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Dirk Heinrichs @ 2008-07-06 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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Am Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008 schrieb Mick:

> Hmm, have you this in place?
>
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   1 Mar 26  2006 boot -> .

I still wonder why it's needed.

Bye...

	Dirk

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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-06 14:47       ` Dirk Heinrichs
@ 2008-07-06 15:08         ` Alan McKinnon
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2008-07-06 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Sunday 06 July 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008 schrieb Mick:
> > Hmm, have you this in place?
> >
> > lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   1 Mar 26  2006 boot -> .
>
> I still wonder why it's needed.

So that people who can't wrap their brains around how grub works (i.e. 
it is NOT linux) can get the thing to work. So

kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=...
will boot, as well as
kernel /vmlinuz root=...


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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-06 14:41     ` Mick
  2008-07-06 14:47       ` Dirk Heinrichs
@ 2008-07-06 15:12       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2008-07-06 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008, Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 06 July 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:04:08 -0400, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> > > > root (hd0,0)
> > > > kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> > > > video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1280x800-24@70
> > >
> > > If hd0,0 is your boot partition, you shouldn't have /boot in the kernel
> > > line, just
> > >
> > > kernel /kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> > >
> > > In GRUB, all paths are relative to the root.
> >
> > really? I boot this for years, after nothing else worked:
> >
> > title=2.6
> > root (hd0,0)
> > kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3 nmi_watchdog=0
>
> Hmm, have you this in place?
>
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   1 Mar 26  2006 boot -> .


yes.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-06 14:47     ` Dirk Heinrichs
@ 2008-07-06 15:12       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  2008-07-06 16:36         ` Dirk Heinrichs
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2008-07-06 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

> What's this nmi_watchdog=0 good for (just curious)?

to make sure it is off ;)

I once read (also a long time ago) that the nmi-watchdog could/would/does slow 
down disk io.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-06 15:12       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
@ 2008-07-06 16:36         ` Dirk Heinrichs
  2008-07-06 18:13           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Dirk Heinrichs @ 2008-07-06 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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Am Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> On Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> > What's this nmi_watchdog=0 good for (just curious)?
>
> to make sure it is off ;)

Got me ;) So what's this nmi_watchdog good for?

Bye...

	Dirk

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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-06 16:36         ` Dirk Heinrichs
@ 2008-07-06 18:13           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
  2008-07-07  6:58             ` Dirk Heinrichs
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Volker Armin Hemmann @ 2008-07-06 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> > On Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> > > What's this nmi_watchdog=0 good for (just curious)?
> >
> > to make sure it is off ;)
>
> Got me ;) So what's this nmi_watchdog good for?

in theory it should be able to 'break' some kinds of lockups.

just read this:
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/nmi_watchdog.txt

its a good read.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] grub boot problem
  2008-07-06 18:13           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
@ 2008-07-07  6:58             ` Dirk Heinrichs
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Dirk Heinrichs @ 2008-07-07  6:58 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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Am Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008 schrieb ext Volker Armin Hemmann:
> On Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> > > On Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> > > > What's this nmi_watchdog=0 good for (just curious)?
> > >
> > > to make sure it is off ;)
> >
> > Got me ;) So what's this nmi_watchdog good for?
>
> in theory it should be able to 'break' some kinds of lockups.
>
> just read this:
> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/nmi_watchdog.txt
>
> its a good read.

Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

Bye...

	Dirk
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