From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KEYYu-0007PQ-CO for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:50:04 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AB93E02BD; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from s15216962.onlinehome-server.info (s15216962.onlinehome-server.info [217.160.22.205]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDC6E02BD for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by s15216962.onlinehome-server.info (8.13.3/8.13.3) with UUCP id m63No1ot012013 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:50:01 +0200 Received: (from weigelt@localhost) by nibiru.metux.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) id m63NNGVk010778 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:23:16 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:23:16 +0200 From: Enrico Weigelt To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: intentionally broken media Message-ID: <20080703232316.GC12976@nibiru.local> References: <18531.30762.772190.169044@ccs.covici.com> <48637A78.8020106@paradise.net.nz> <48637B9B.1010607@paradise.net.nz> <48637eb8.8Jv72RlvJz1kwG6j%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4864059A.7070602@paradise.net.nz> <486408e8.H6jJprFk5Zz6c8f9%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <486418FF.7040408@paradise.net.nz> <4864a51a.gy2WWO+BICOOKx7w%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080701111600.GF21556@nibiru.local> <486c9410.auL2rSv/4Uz61o5x%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <486c9410.auL2rSv/4Uz61o5x%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Terror: bin laden, kill bush, Briefbombe, Massenvernichtung, KZ, X-Nazi: Weisse Rasse, Hitlers Wiederauferstehung, 42, X-Antichrist: weg mit schaeuble, ausrotten, heiliger krieg, al quaida, X-Killer: 23, endloesung, Weltuntergang, X-Doof: wer das liest ist doof X-Archives-Salt: 1c67f436-eada-455f-ab93-f007d6d4e75f X-Archives-Hash: 089de3475f5c25a1d283b676c280c022 * Joerg Schilling wrote: > > BTW: a friend of mine is lawyer and music producer. I'm trying > > to convince him to admonish those companies which intentionally > > sell broken products ... would be nice if he'd really do this :) > > Joerg, do you feel confident enough in the area to provide a > > expertise which could stand in court ? > > I tries to do this via the "Verbraucherzentrale" - they have not been > interested. Did you expect something useful from them as long as they're ruled by trolls like Seehofer ? ;-P > You first need to check whether you may sue someone at all if you are > not the "Verbraucherzentrale". Well, depends on from which side you want to attack: a) competition law violation: you have to be a competitor or represent an reasonably large part of the market to be alled to file a suite. b) they've sold a defective product, and so you're going to hold them responsible for compensation c) you see this as an defraud and press criminal charges. > What you may do is to forbid mixing these non-CDs with standard compliant > media in the same rack in a shop and you may force the shops to add hints > that "the rack to the left" does not include CDs. Yep, that would be the shop's resposibility, followed on the consumer protection law. Another side is directly attacking the producer. BUT: for now we have *far more critical* problems in our country. Our goverment is obviously guilty of high treason, not just by "EU constitution"/Lissabon contract. In Bavaria, they even go that far to directly ignore an recent contitutional court decision and legalize terroristic attacks by officials. Soon we're at the point where the basic right for violent resistent becomes active ... cu -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Enrico Weigelt == metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list