[gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Adam Carter]

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I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys finding it?




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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Beau Henderson]

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Hello,

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Adam Carter <Adam.Carter@optus.com.au>
wrote:

>  I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys finding it?
>
>
>
>

I haven't had a single issue with it myself. Is it possible you may have an
addon or other config option causing issues ? Have you tried loading a new
profile ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[W.Kenworthy]

On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 14:31 +1000, Beau Henderson wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Adam Carter <Adam.Carter@optus.com.au>
> wrote:
>         I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys
>         finding it?
>          
>          
>          
> 
> I haven't had a single issue with it myself. Is it possible you may
> have an addon or other config option causing issues ? Have you tried
> loading a new profile ?
> 
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> Beau Henderson

Seems to randomly die, dont really see it as faster than FF2,
objectionable behaviour (jumping desktops when its called from another
app), ugly icons, ...


It will get better, ... I hope.

BillK

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Justin]

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> Seems to randomly die, dont really see it as faster than FF2,
> objectionable behaviour (jumping desktops when its called from another
> app), ugly icons, ...
>
>
> It will get better, ... I hope.
>
> BillK
>
>   

I started with a clean profile and got random crashes. It could be a 
little faster, but those crashes are nasty. The day ago I was at 20 
seconds befor the end of the auction and it crashes!!! Da..!


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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Johann Schmitz]

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Fast, really stable, fast, ugly with the default theme... Did i mentioned fast before?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Gordon Schulz]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Adam Carter <Adam.Carter@optus.com.au> wrote:
> I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys finding it?
>
>
>

Really fast, no crashes as of yet, totally satisified.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Boris Fersing]

Hi,

I didn't experience any crash with Firefox3, the only problem I had
was a rendering issue with the resized pictures, but this bug is
related to xulrunner-1.9 and it can be fixed in the xorg config.

For me Firefox3 is a lot faster that Firefox2 and I don't have to
restart it every 3 days in order to make it responsive again.

Regards,
Boris.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 08:55, Gordon Schulz <gordon.schulz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Adam Carter <Adam.Carter@optus.com.au> wrote:
>> I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys finding it?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Really fast, no crashes as of yet, totally satisified.
>
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Philip Webb]

080702 Gordon Schulz wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Adam Carter <Adam.Carter@optus.com.au> wrote:
>> I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys finding it?
> Really fast, no crashes as of yet, totally satisified.

Same here on KDE 3.5.9 : are the dissatisfied using another DE (smile) ?
Also, it does use less memory, typically  400 MB  a/a  700 MB  at end of day.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Zhu Sha Zang]

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Gordon Schulz escreveu:
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Adam Carter <Adam.Carter@optus.com.au> wrote:
>> I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys finding it?
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Really fast, no crashes as of yet, totally satisified.
> 
> 

ME TOO, so good!!! (using some addons like flashblock, noscript, gmail,
videodownloader)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[stephane ancelot]

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:24:49 +0200, Adam Carter <Adam.Carter@optus.com.au>  
wrote:

> I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys finding it?
>
>
>

Yes, move to last opera release, sounds better to me

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[gentoo-user] Re: Firefox 3 stability

[7v5w7go9ub0o]

Adam Carter wrote:
> I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys finding it?
> 

I find the -bin version is stable, and works well with embedded flash 
(e.g. youtube).

(I find the new Opera is more stable, and when loaded without the mail 
programs (Opera -nomail -nolirc ) it absolutely flies.)

So Opera with JS, Flash, cookies, and IFrames off for general browsing; 
FF when I need to do media.

HTH



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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[doki_pen]

Adam Carter wrote:
> I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys finding it?
>
>
>
>
>   
+2 on firefox3.  Faster, doesn't slow down after long use.  I really see 
the difference with javascript.  The engine is much faster.  Just try a 
js heavy page(like google apps).  I haven't had any crashes.  Only 
complaint is that flash blocker(or maybe flash itself) doesn't always 
work.  I have to reload a couple of times to get youtube to work.  Also, 
some plugins haven't been ported yet.  I compiled it, and here are my 
use flags:

dbus gnome ipv6 java linguas_en linguas_en_US mozdevelop 
startup-notification xulrunner
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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Justin Findlay]

On AD 2008 July 02 Wednesday 02:20:30 PM -0400, doki_pen wrote:
> +2 on firefox3.  Faster, doesn't slow down after long use.  I really see 
> the difference with javascript.  The engine is much faster.  Just try a js 
> heavy page(like google apps).  I haven't had any crashes.  Only complaint 
> is that flash blocker(or maybe flash itself) doesn't always work.  I have 
> to reload a couple of times to get youtube to work.  Also, some plugins 
> haven't been ported yet.  I compiled it, and here are my use flags:

I've been using FF3 for about 2 months, and although many things have
improved during the beta phase it is generally about as memory and CPU
heavy as FF2.  The only real improvement I've observed as far as
performance is concerned is javascript.  I wish there were a light
version available.  I've tried galeon and epiphany, but both lacked
features that I really like in FF and now that there is a great amount
of extensions available it is harder to justify using another browser.
Maybe it's time to switch back to konqueror.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Jason Messerschmitt]

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On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Justin Findlay <justin@jfindlay.us> wrote:

> On AD 2008 July 02 Wednesday 02:20:30 PM -0400, doki_pen wrote:
> > +2 on firefox3.  Faster, doesn't slow down after long use.  I really see
> > the difference with javascript.  The engine is much faster.  Just try a
> js
> > heavy page(like google apps).  I haven't had any crashes.  Only complaint
> > is that flash blocker(or maybe flash itself) doesn't always work.  I have
> > to reload a couple of times to get youtube to work.  Also, some plugins
> > haven't been ported yet.  I compiled it, and here are my use flags:
>
> I've been using FF3 for about 2 months, and although many things have
> improved during the beta phase it is generally about as memory and CPU
> heavy as FF2.  The only real improvement I've observed as far as
> performance is concerned is javascript.  I wish there were a light
> version available.  I've tried galeon and epiphany, but both lacked
> features that I really like in FF and now that there is a great amount
> of extensions available it is harder to justify using another browser.
> Maybe it's time to switch back to konqueror.
>
>
> Justin
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I've noticed an odd visual glitch with blogspot pages- it superimposes my
desktop on some pages. It's a bit hard to explain so here's a pic. As far as
I know it's only this page, but might be good fodder for some of you
troubleshooters out there.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Brian Johnson]

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Jason,

That's totally weird. Couple things that could cause this -- try disabling
any composting window managers you may have running to see if that makes a
difference. Also, is your computer stressed out (100% cpu usage) when you
view the page? I've noticed that, among other things, GUIs in general tend
to crap out (lots of repeated/trailing graphics) when the CPU gets pegged --
could be caused by Flash, or alpha transparencies in CSS, Java, or anything
really...

You may want to submit that screen shot as a bug to
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org and see if they can recommend anything.

Interesting screen shot though!

- Brian

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Jason Messerschmitt <
jasonmesserschmitt@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Justin Findlay <justin@jfindlay.us> wrote:
>
>> On AD 2008 July 02 Wednesday 02:20:30 PM -0400, doki_pen wrote:
>> > +2 on firefox3.  Faster, doesn't slow down after long use.  I really see
>> > the difference with javascript.  The engine is much faster.  Just try a
>> js
>> > heavy page(like google apps).  I haven't had any crashes.  Only
>> complaint
>> > is that flash blocker(or maybe flash itself) doesn't always work.  I
>> have
>> > to reload a couple of times to get youtube to work.  Also, some plugins
>> > haven't been ported yet.  I compiled it, and here are my use flags:
>>
>> I've been using FF3 for about 2 months, and although many things have
>> improved during the beta phase it is generally about as memory and CPU
>> heavy as FF2.  The only real improvement I've observed as far as
>> performance is concerned is javascript.  I wish there were a light
>> version available.  I've tried galeon and epiphany, but both lacked
>> features that I really like in FF and now that there is a great amount
>> of extensions available it is harder to justify using another browser.
>> Maybe it's time to switch back to konqueror.
>>
>>
>> Justin
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>>
>
> I've noticed an odd visual glitch with blogspot pages- it superimposes my
> desktop on some pages. It's a bit hard to explain so here's a pic. As far as
> I know it's only this page, but might be good fodder for some of you
> troubleshooters out there.
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Jason Messerschmitt]

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On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Brian Johnson <brian@dogtoe.com> wrote:

> Jason,
>
> That's totally weird. Couple things that could cause this -- try disabling
> any composting window managers you may have running to see if that makes a
> difference. Also, is your computer stressed out (100% cpu usage) when you
> view the page? I've noticed that, among other things, GUIs in general tend
> to crap out (lots of repeated/trailing graphics) when the CPU gets pegged --
> could be caused by Flash, or alpha transparencies in CSS, Java, or anything
> really...
>
> You may want to submit that screen shot as a bug to
> http://bugzilla.mozilla.org and see if they can recommend anything.
>
> Interesting screen shot though!
>
> - Brian
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Jason Messerschmitt <
> jasonmesserschmitt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Justin Findlay <justin@jfindlay.us>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On AD 2008 July 02 Wednesday 02:20:30 PM -0400, doki_pen wrote:
>>> > +2 on firefox3.  Faster, doesn't slow down after long use.  I really
>>> see
>>> > the difference with javascript.  The engine is much faster.  Just try a
>>> js
>>> > heavy page(like google apps).  I haven't had any crashes.  Only
>>> complaint
>>> > is that flash blocker(or maybe flash itself) doesn't always work.  I
>>> have
>>> > to reload a couple of times to get youtube to work.  Also, some plugins
>>> > haven't been ported yet.  I compiled it, and here are my use flags:
>>>
>>> I've been using FF3 for about 2 months, and although many things have
>>> improved during the beta phase it is generally about as memory and CPU
>>> heavy as FF2.  The only real improvement I've observed as far as
>>> performance is concerned is javascript.  I wish there were a light
>>> version available.  I've tried galeon and epiphany, but both lacked
>>> features that I really like in FF and now that there is a great amount
>>> of extensions available it is harder to justify using another browser.
>>> Maybe it's time to switch back to konqueror.
>>>
>>>
>>> Justin
>>> --
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>>>
>>
>> I've noticed an odd visual glitch with blogspot pages- it superimposes my
>> desktop on some pages. It's a bit hard to explain so here's a pic. As far as
>> I know it's only this page, but might be good fodder for some of you
>> troubleshooters out there.
>>
>>
> Turning off compositing had no effect. The CPU is at only 30% or so when
running the page. Goof shit.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Daniel da Veiga]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Jason Messerschmitt
<jasonmesserschmitt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Justin Findlay <justin@jfindlay.us> wrote:
>>
>> On AD 2008 July 02 Wednesday 02:20:30 PM -0400, doki_pen wrote:
>> > +2 on firefox3.  Faster, doesn't slow down after long use.  I really see
>> > the difference with javascript.  The engine is much faster.  Just try a
>> > js
>> > heavy page(like google apps).  I haven't had any crashes.  Only
>> > complaint
>> > is that flash blocker(or maybe flash itself) doesn't always work.  I
>> > have
>> > to reload a couple of times to get youtube to work.  Also, some plugins
>> > haven't been ported yet.  I compiled it, and here are my use flags:
>>
>> I've been using FF3 for about 2 months, and although many things have
>> improved during the beta phase it is generally about as memory and CPU
>> heavy as FF2.  The only real improvement I've observed as far as
>> performance is concerned is javascript.  I wish there were a light
>> version available.  I've tried galeon and epiphany, but both lacked
>> features that I really like in FF and now that there is a great amount
>> of extensions available it is harder to justify using another browser.
>> Maybe it's time to switch back to konqueror.
>>
>>
>
> I've noticed an odd visual glitch with blogspot pages- it superimposes my
> desktop on some pages. It's a bit hard to explain so here's a pic. As far as
> I know it's only this page, but might be good fodder for some of you
> troubleshooters out there.
>
>

Lots of glitches with rendering some pages, its probably the
webmaster's fault, but FF2 works with them, so I switched back. Also
it is a little less memory and CPU hungry, but not that much. And, in
my EEE PC I use a LOT of extensions that make my life easier, and like
50% of them do not work on FF3.

I'll switch when FF3 is as good (for my personal use) as FF2.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Justin Findlay]

On AD 2008 July 02 Wednesday 02:39:21 PM -0500, Jason Messerschmitt wrote:
> I've noticed an odd visual glitch with blogspot pages- it superimposes my
> desktop on some pages. It's a bit hard to explain so here's a pic. As far as
> I know it's only this page, but might be good fodder for some of you
> troubleshooters out there.

I used to get that on several pages, but it hasn't happened for me since
the release candidates.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Graham Murray]

"Jason Messerschmitt" <jasonmesserschmitt@gmail.com> writes:

> I've noticed an odd visual glitch with blogspot pages- it superimposes
> my desktop on some pages. It's a bit hard to explain so here's a
> pic. As far as I know it's only this page, but might be good fodder
> for some of you troubleshooters out there.

There is something which lots of people have noticed. The suggested
solution, which worked for me, was to change the X acceleration from XAA
to EXA in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. This will only work if your video driver
supports EXA acceleration. 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Daniel Beecham]

I agree with whoever said opera without mail is flying. It really is.
I cant see the major improvements in firefox as preposed - ie speed,
stability, memoryconsumption, etc. Opera still outdoes firefox imo.

On 7/4/08, Graham Murray <graham@gmurray.org.uk> wrote:
> "Jason Messerschmitt" <jasonmesserschmitt@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I've noticed an odd visual glitch with blogspot pages- it superimposes
>> my desktop on some pages. It's a bit hard to explain so here's a
>> pic. As far as I know it's only this page, but might be good fodder
>> for some of you troubleshooters out there.
>
> There is something which lots of people have noticed. The suggested
> solution, which worked for me, was to change the X acceleration from XAA
> to EXA in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. This will only work if your video driver
> supports EXA acceleration.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Willie Wong]

On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 11:32:39AM +0100, Penguin Lover Graham Murray squawked:
> "Jason Messerschmitt" <jasonmesserschmitt@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > I've noticed an odd visual glitch with blogspot pages- it superimposes
> > my desktop on some pages. It's a bit hard to explain so here's a
> > pic. As far as I know it's only this page, but might be good fodder
> > for some of you troubleshooters out there.
> 
> There is something which lots of people have noticed. The suggested
> solution, which worked for me, was to change the X acceleration from XAA
> to EXA in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. This will only work if your video driver
> supports EXA acceleration. 

Where is this suggestion mentioned? Is there a bug number?

I cannot use EXA on my laptop because of an old bug with
xorg-ati-radeon that gives a CPU spike with EXA. Furthermore, when I
experimented a small bit with using EXA (X and fvwm was very
unresponsive, but it doesn't crash), most of the sites with the visual
glitch problem were "fixed", but a few different ones started having a
different glitch, and a few of the sites that had a glitch now has a
more minor, less noticeable glitch. 

I would like to track this bug/forum post to see if a more mature
solution is proposed. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Graham Murray]

Willie Wong <wwong@Princeton.EDU> writes:

> Where is this suggestion mentioned? Is there a bug number?

The Gentoo bug is http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=221141
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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Willie Wong]

On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 04:16:23PM +0100, Penguin Lover Graham Murray squawked:
> Willie Wong <wwong@Princeton.EDU> writes:
> 
> > Where is this suggestion mentioned? Is there a bug number?
> 
> The Gentoo bug is http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=221141

Ah! Thanks. I see that there is another work-around suggested. I'll
give that a try later today. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Philip Webb]

080702 Justin Findlay wrote:
> Maybe it's time to switch back to konqueror.

I was using Konqueror 3.5.9 till FF3 came out & found it fast & reliable;
there was  1  bug which was causing crashes on some JS pages,
but they fixed it in a new version of Kdelibs.
FF3 is a bit faster at rendering & uses less memory than K or FF2.
Otherwise, it's nice in K to have the toolbar at the side of the screen,
but it's quicker to open the bookmark menu in FF3 (also at side-screen).

> I've tried Galeon and Epiphany

Epiphany is really today's replacement for the old & good Galeon
& I used that on my previous (now stand-by) machine,
but to use it on this machine I'ld have to install  49  Gnome pkgs (ugh).

I asked before: do those having problems with FF3 perhaps use Gnome ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Justin Findlay]

On AD 2008 July 02 Wednesday 04:38:00 PM -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
> I asked before: do those having problems with FF3 perhaps use Gnome ?

I use enlightenment live CVS from the enlightenment overlay.  My general
experience with FF3 is that it's about the same performance wise as FF2.
There were lots of bugs with the prereleases but otherwise not much
difference from FF2.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[b.n.]

This thread is getting depressing.

I use Kubuntu at work and FF3 worked without a hitch since the beta.

On Gentoo, FF2 works good, but I'm quite perplexed to see that FF3 is so 
many problems while a binary distro can flawlessly run a FF3 beta on its 
flagship release.

What's wrong?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Jerry McBride]

On Wednesday 02 July 2008 06:00:57 pm b.n. wrote:
> This thread is getting depressing.
>
> I use Kubuntu at work and FF3 worked without a hitch since the beta.
>
> On Gentoo, FF2 works good, but I'm quite perplexed to see that FF3 is so
> many problems while a binary distro can flawlessly run a FF3 beta on its
> flagship release.
>
> What's wrong?
>
> m.

If I may chime in here... Running Gentoo x86 and firefox 3.0... no problems. 
Perhaps there's a hardware component to the problem?

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[gentoo-user] RE: Firefox 3 stability

[Adam Carter]

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Thanks everyone for your feedback. I'm trying firefox-bin now, and it seems stable. I guess this means that my .mozilla stuff isnt the problem.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Michael Pobega]

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On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 02:24:49PM +1000, Adam Carter wrote:
> I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys finding it?
> 

That is how I found FF2, and why I initially switched to Galeon. But
when Firefox-3.0-r2 came out I gave FF another try, and I don't regret
it at all. FF3 is a vast improvement over FF2 for me, it's quicker, more
robust, takes up less memory, and the UI is a lot nicer. FF2 used to
memory leak like an old man with diareah, but no problems with FF3.

And I'm talking about the mozilla-firefox package, not -bin. For -bin I
have 2.0.0.14 installed in case I ever need to use FF2 for something...I
don't know what I would use it for but it can't hurt to have it.

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programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they
restrict the use of these programs. 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Gordon Schulz]

On 7/3/08, Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 02:24:49PM +1000, Adam Carter wrote:
>  > I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys finding it?
>  >
>
>
> That is how I found FF2, and why I initially switched to Galeon. But
>  when Firefox-3.0-r2 came out I gave FF another try, and I don't regret
>  it at all. FF3 is a vast improvement over FF2 for me, it's quicker, more
>  robust, takes up less memory, and the UI is a lot nicer. FF2 used to
>  memory leak like an old man with diareah, but no problems with FF3.
>
>  And I'm talking about the mozilla-firefox package, not -bin. For -bin I
>  have 2.0.0.14 installed in case I ever need to use FF2 for something...I
>  don't know what I would use it for but it can't hurt to have it.

Probably a bit OT, but out of boredom I decided to give the newly
released Opera 9.51 a spin - and I am pleasantly surprised. It's even
way faster than FF3 and the font rendering is totally awesome.
As I am developing quite some web-based stuff at work their new
Dragonfly Debugger/Inspector is a good substitute for Firebug and the
myopera.com integration supplies the much needed bookmark
synchronisation between machines that Foxmarks handles on Firefox.

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            Gordon.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Michael Pobega]

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On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 12:07:10PM +0200, Gordon Schulz wrote:
> On 7/3/08, Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 02:24:49PM +1000, Adam Carter wrote:
> >  > I'm finding it unusable as it crashes often. How are you guys finding it?
> >  >
> >
> >
> > That is how I found FF2, and why I initially switched to Galeon. But
> >  when Firefox-3.0-r2 came out I gave FF another try, and I don't regret
> >  it at all. FF3 is a vast improvement over FF2 for me, it's quicker, more
> >  robust, takes up less memory, and the UI is a lot nicer. FF2 used to
> >  memory leak like an old man with diareah, but no problems with FF3.
> >
> >  And I'm talking about the mozilla-firefox package, not -bin. For -bin I
> >  have 2.0.0.14 installed in case I ever need to use FF2 for something...I
> >  don't know what I would use it for but it can't hurt to have it.
> 
> Probably a bit OT, but out of boredom I decided to give the newly
> released Opera 9.51 a spin - and I am pleasantly surprised. It's even
> way faster than FF3 and the font rendering is totally awesome.
> As I am developing quite some web-based stuff at work their new
> Dragonfly Debugger/Inspector is a good substitute for Firebug and the
> myopera.com integration supplies the much needed bookmark
> synchronisation between machines that Foxmarks handles on Firefox.
> 

I'm tempted to install Opera, but my system is completely GTK (if not
CLI) and I just don't want to waste space with installing Qt ... Is
there any possible way to install Opera without Qt support?

-- 
If programmers deserve to be rewarded for creating innovative
programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they
restrict the use of these programs. 
 - Richard Stallman

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Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox 3 stability

[Gordon Schulz]

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm tempted to install Opera, but my system is completely GTK (if not
> CLI) and I just don't want to waste space with installing Qt ... Is
> there any possible way to install Opera without Qt support?
It is possible to install Opera with a statically linked QT toolkit,
but else than that - no. That would be like wanting to install Firefox
without GTK (which personally I would like ;p).
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