[gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Dale]

Hi,

I emailed this list quite a while ago about not getting emails from the 
list or any other Gentoo list.  I wrote the very VERY slow to respond 
AT&T crew about unblocking the emails.  This was on about May 16 or so. 
  Well, a little while ago I got my first set of emails.  Whoooooooo 
Ooooooooooo.  I have so missed getting my emails and keeping up with 
where Gentoo is going and what issues have cropped up with updates.

Now, I am just hoping to get this email back and confirm that all is 
working again.  Oh, filed a complaint with the FCC about not having DSL 
too.  Sort of putting a fire under AT&T.  ;-)  24K dial-up sucks, BIG 
time.  Picture downloading OOo, VERRRRRRRYYYYY 
ssssslllllloooooowwwwwllllllyyyyyy.  :-D

Glad to be back.

Dale

:-)  :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Alex Schuster]

Dale is back:

> Now, I am just hoping to get this email back and confirm that all is
> working again.  Oh, filed a complaint with the FCC about not having DSL
> too.  Sort of putting a fire under AT&T.  ;-)  24K dial-up sucks, BIG
> time.  Picture downloading OOo, VERRRRRRRYYYYY
> ssssslllllloooooowwwwwllllllyyyyyy.  :-D
>
> Glad to be back.

Glad to see you back again. I was already wondering.

Hey, wsn't DSL expected to be coming really really soon now the last time 
you wrote here?

	Wonko
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Dale]

Alex Schuster wrote:
> Dale is back:
>
>   
>> Now, I am just hoping to get this email back and confirm that all is
>> working again.  Oh, filed a complaint with the FCC about not having DSL
>> too.  Sort of putting a fire under AT&T.  ;-)  24K dial-up sucks, BIG
>> time.  Picture downloading OOo, VERRRRRRRYYYYY
>> ssssslllllloooooowwwwwllllllyyyyyy.  :-D
>>
>> Glad to be back.
>>     
>
> Glad to see you back again. I was already wondering.
>
> Hey, wsn't DSL expected to be coming really really soon now the last time 
> you wrote here?
>
> 	Wonko
>   

Yep, that was what they was telling me.  Sort of letting the FCC get the 
info from now on.  See what story they get.  They did install the DSL 
box  up the road tho.  They are doing something, just not sure what that 
something is exactly.

At least they got my emails coming in again.  LOL

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Tony Davison]

On Tuesday 01 July 2008 04:57:21 Dale wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I emailed this list quite a while ago about not getting emails from the
> list or any other Gentoo list.  I wrote the very VERY slow to respond
> AT&T crew about unblocking the emails.  This was on about May 16 or so.
>   Well, a little while ago I got my first set of emails.  Whoooooooo
> Ooooooooooo.  I have so missed getting my emails and keeping up with
> where Gentoo is going and what issues have cropped up with updates.
>
> Now, I am just hoping to get this email back and confirm that all is
> working again.  Oh, filed a complaint with the FCC about not having DSL
> too.  Sort of putting a fire under AT&T.  ;-)  24K dial-up sucks, BIG
> time.  Picture downloading OOo, VERRRRRRRYYYYY
> ssssslllllloooooowwwwwllllllyyyyyy.  :-D
>
> Glad to be back.
>
Wayhey, welcome back Dale :)

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[gentoo-user] Re: Is the mailing list working?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2008-07-01, Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I emailed this list quite a while ago about not getting emails
> from the list or any other Gentoo list.  I wrote the very VERY
> slow to respond AT&T crew about unblocking the emails.  This
> was on about May 16 or so.  Well, a little while ago I got my
> first set of emails.  Whoooooooo Ooooooooooo.  I have so
> missed getting my emails and keeping up with where Gentoo is
> going and what issues have cropped up with updates.

I've one word of advice for you:  gmane

  http://gmane.org/about.php

IMO, gmane is really the only civilized way to read mailing
lists.  Pointing a good newsreader (I like slrn) at
news.gmane.org allows one to follow mailing lists with far less
effort/hassle -- and you never have to worry about mailboxes
filling up.

You also ought to switch to an ISP that doesn't suck, but
that's a different issue. ;)

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                                  at               OPERATOR just experience
                               visi.com            uninhibited sensations in
                                                   a MALIBU HOT TUB?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is the mailing list working?

[Dale]

Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2008-07-01, Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> I emailed this list quite a while ago about not getting emails
>> from the list or any other Gentoo list.  I wrote the very VERY
>> slow to respond AT&T crew about unblocking the emails.  This
>> was on about May 16 or so.  Well, a little while ago I got my
>> first set of emails.  Whoooooooo Ooooooooooo.  I have so
>> missed getting my emails and keeping up with where Gentoo is
>> going and what issues have cropped up with updates.
>>     
>
> I've one word of advice for you:  gmane
>
>   http://gmane.org/about.php
>
> IMO, gmane is really the only civilized way to read mailing
> lists.  Pointing a good newsreader (I like slrn) at
> news.gmane.org allows one to follow mailing lists with far less
> effort/hassle -- and you never have to worry about mailboxes
> filling up.
>
> You also ought to switch to an ISP that doesn't suck, but
> that's a different issue. ;)
>
>   

Well, since I am on dial-up, I prefer to read most of my stuff offline.  
It's easier for me at least.  I did try to mess with gmane but never 
could figure out how to make it work.  Sort of gave up on it.

Right now, I'm planning to switch ISPs if DSL doesn't come soon.  I'm 
paying ~$24.00 for dial-up but DSL would be only ~$20.00 and DSL is 
faster.  Go figure out how backward that is.  I mentioned that to the 
FCC too.

Dale

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[gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Dale]

Hi again,

I have gotten a few replies off list about this issue and found out that 
I am not the only one having this problem.  It seems the AT&T family 
does not like TLSv1 messages or something.  I wrote AT&T a message and 
am waiting on a reply regarding this.  If someone here knows how to find 
out when exactly when they started using TLSv1 it would be great.  If 
they started on the 22nd, then this is very likely the problem.  Also 
keep in mind, I have not gotten anything about posts to the forums 
either.  Anything ending in gentoo.org has stopped.  Maybe Gentoo 
switched a little to soon for some providers??

Is there a way to reply with a web browser?  I can view the messages on 
the archives but can not figure out how to reply.  I'm trying not to 
clutter up the list here.  I'm starting a thread here on the forums.  
Maybe be easier and all.  
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-691543.html  Hope to see some email 
gurus there.  I need some help and so do at least one other person. 

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Graham Murray]

Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> writes:


> I have gotten a few replies off list about this issue and found out
> that I am not the only one having this problem.  It seems the AT&T
> family does not like TLSv1 messages or something.

The sending MTA should not be using TLS unless the receiving system
advertises STARTTLS in response to the EHLO from the sending system. So
if AT&T do not support TLS, then they should not be advertising that
capability to incoming mails.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 08 May 2008, Dale wrote:
> Is there a way to reply with a web browser?

Personally, I just use a gmail account for all my mailing list needs.

I got fed up having to change my subscribed address every so often so 
started using my gmail account instead. You always know exactly how 
it's going to want authentication, you can read mail in a browser if 
you want, or pop it if you want, and best of all:

NO SPAM!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Mark Kirkwood]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> Personally, I just use a gmail account for all my mailing list needs.
>
> I got fed up having to change my subscribed address every so often so 
> started using my gmail account instead. You always know exactly how 
> it's going to want authentication, you can read mail in a browser if 
> you want, or pop it if you want, and best of all:
>
> NO SPAM!
>
>   

Yeah, now that you can do pop or imap, gmail is pretty convenient. With 
respect to spam - I've got 993 messages in my gmail "spam" folder... 
which I think is quite a lot, are you not being deluged in this way?

Cheers

Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 08 May 2008 05:53:29 -0500, Dale wrote:

> I have gotten a few replies off list about this issue and found out
> that I am not the only one having this problem.  It seems the AT&T
> family does not like TLSv1 messages or something.

That's one possibility, but the two mails I cced to you have bounced back
with

<dalek1967@bellsouth.net>: host gateway-f1.isp.att.net[204.127.217.16]
refused to talk to me: 550-<my-ip-address> blocked by
    ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=bellsouth,dc=net 550 Blocked for abuse.

I'm not running an open relay or involved in any other kind of abuse, so
this would appear to be a problem at their end.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Daniel Iliev]

On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:06:16 +0100
Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 08 May 2008 05:53:29 -0500, Dale wrote:
> 
> > I have gotten a few replies off list about this issue and found out
> > that I am not the only one having this problem.  It seems the AT&T
> > family does not like TLSv1 messages or something.
> 
> That's one possibility, but the two mails I cced to you have bounced
> back with
> 
> <dalek1967@bellsouth.net>: host gateway-f1.isp.att.net[204.127.217.16]
> refused to talk to me: 550-<my-ip-address> blocked by
>     ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=bellsouth,dc=net 550 Blocked for abuse.
> 
> I'm not running an open relay or involved in any other kind of abuse,
> so this would appear to be a problem at their end.
> 
> 


Well, Dale has requested such feed back (bounced mail headers) at
the forums [1]. I believe he reads the list via http archives, so he
should see your message and hopefully it'll be of help.


[OT]

Neil, you'd better check if your IP address is not in some of the
popular public grey/black lists [2]. Sometimes it happens even if you
had nothing to do with abusing activities...false positives.



[1] http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-691543.html

[2] I personally use these two:

http://www.spamcop.net/
http://www.spamhaus.org/



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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 11 May 2008 22:32:04 +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote:

> Neil, you'd better check if your IP address is not in some of the
> popular public grey/black lists [2]. Sometimes it happens even if you
> had nothing to do with abusing activities...false positives.

> [2] I personally use these two:
> 
> http://www.spamcop.net/
> http://www.spamhaus.org/

Good point, but I'd checked these two and I'm not listed.


-- 
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Biology is the only science in which multiplication means the same thing
as division.

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[gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Dale]

Hi folks,

Keep in mind that I am having to look at the archives to see your 
posts.  I also can't "reply" the normal way either. 

I'm not using Gmail, I'm using a bellsouth address.  I also noticed that 
when I go to the webmail address for my email, it switches to att.net 
now.  I think AT&T is in the process of switching stuff over or 
something.  For those not in the USA, AT&T bought Bell South a year or 
so ago.

I sent a email to the webmaster.  I was hoping they may have some idea.  
Maybe something got changed on their end but I'm sort of thinking it is 
AT&T now.  No response yet tho. 

Is there a web way to unsubscribe/subscribe?  I tried to unsubscribe 
then subscribe again but nothing happened then either.

Also to make sure, I checked again on my ISP's website, spam filtering 
is disabled.  I do my filtering locally here. 

Also, could you guys reply by doing a CC to my address?  I did get a 
couple replies that emailed me off list but still nothing directly from 
Gentoo mail servers.

I'm open to ideas here?  Could it even be something I updated here?  
Also, I must be subscribed since it lets me post correct?  If I wasn't, 
wouldn't it reject my emails that I send, like this one?  Basically, it 
knows who I am and allows me to post but nothing else.

Ideas??

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 07 May 2008 21:52:23 -0500, Dale wrote:

> I'm not using Gmail, I'm using a bellsouth address.  I also noticed
> that when I go to the webmail address for my email, it switches to
> att.net now.  I think AT&T is in the process of switching stuff over or 
> something.  For those not in the USA, AT&T bought Bell South a year or 
> so ago.

Have you tried subscribing with the new address? There's no real need to
unsubscribe the old address if it is dumping the mail anyway, although it
would be polite to notify the list admin of this so he can remove it.


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Never get into fights with ugly people because they have nothing to lose.

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[gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Dale]

Hi folks,

I checked gentoo.org and even a quick search on the forums but didn't 
see anything about a massive boo boo.  Just trying to see what is up here.

Pardon the noise but could someone reply to let me know it's still 
working?  Last message I got was on the 22 of last month.

Thanks

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Dale wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I checked gentoo.org and even a quick search on the forums but didn't
> see anything about a massive boo boo.  Just trying to see what is up
> here.
>
> Pardon the noise but could someone reply to let me know it's still
> working?  Last message I got was on the 22 of last month.

Hi Dale, I was wondering where you'd got to.

List has been working just fine. Problem must be on your end.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 07 May 2008 04:39:15 -0500, Dale wrote:

> Pardon the noise but could someone reply to let me know it's still 
> working?  Last message I got was on the 22 of last month.

We're all at the party, didn't you get your invitation?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Tony Caudel]

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On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I checked gentoo.org and even a quick search on the forums but didn't see
> anything about a massive boo boo.  Just trying to see what is up here.
>
> Pardon the noise but could someone reply to let me know it's still
> working?  Last message I got was on the 22 of last month.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
> --
> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
>
> I'm in the same boat, Dale.  I am no longer receiving email from the list
also.  Stopped at about the same time.  I sent an email to the list owner
(gentoo-user+owner) but no reply yet.

Real bummer


-- 
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Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch, 7. Mai 2008, Tony Caudel wrote:
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I checked gentoo.org and even a quick search on the forums but didn't see
> > anything about a massive boo boo.  Just trying to see what is up here.
> >
> > Pardon the noise but could someone reply to let me know it's still
> > working?  Last message I got was on the 22 of last month.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-)  :-)
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> > I'm in the same boat, Dale.  I am no longer receiving email from the list
>
> also.  Stopped at about the same time.  I sent an email to the list owner
> (gentoo-user+owner) but no reply yet.
>
> Real bummer

maybe your mails are filtered as spam?
(one more reason not to use gmail).
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Sandro Hannemann]

>  maybe your mails are filtered as spam?
it is possible....

>  (one more reason not to use gmail).
This is certainly not the reason for the problems, the guys in this
thread are having.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Daniel da Veiga]

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
<volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote:
> On Mittwoch, 7. Mai 2008, Tony Caudel wrote:
>  > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>  > > Hi folks,
>  > >
>  > > I checked gentoo.org and even a quick search on the forums but didn't see
>  > > anything about a massive boo boo.  Just trying to see what is up here.
>  > >
>  > > Pardon the noise but could someone reply to let me know it's still
>  > > working?  Last message I got was on the 22 of last month.
>  > >
>  > > Thanks
>  > >
>  > > Dale
>  > >
>  > > :-)  :-)
>  > >
>  > > --
>  > > gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
>  > >
>  > > I'm in the same boat, Dale.  I am no longer receiving email from the list
>  >
>  > also.  Stopped at about the same time.  I sent an email to the list owner
>  > (gentoo-user+owner) but no reply yet.
>  >
>  > Real bummer
>
>  maybe your mails are filtered as spam?
>  (one more reason not to use gmail).
>

In fact, gmail recognizes it as a mailing-list (even offering special
commands, like filtering email from the list). I never got any list
message marked as spam in Gmail. Thunderbird did it, a lot, like many
clients and webmails I tried.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Frank Gruellich]

* Daniel da Veiga <danieldaveiga@gmail.com>  7. May 08:
> In fact, gmail recognizes it as a mailing-list (even offering special
> commands, like filtering email from the list).

Wow, that new and shiny Ajax-Web3.0-Gigabyte-buzzword gmail stuff does
the same as my 20 years old mutt now?

SCNR.

Kind regards,
 Frank.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Mark Shields]

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On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Frank Gruellich <frank@der-frank.org> wrote:

> * Daniel da Veiga <danieldaveiga@gmail.com>  7. May 08:
> > In fact, gmail recognizes it as a mailing-list (even offering special
> > commands, like filtering email from the list).
>
> Wow, that new and shiny Ajax-Web3.0-Gigabyte-buzzword gmail stuff does
> the same as my 20 years old mutt now?
>
> SCNR.
>
> Kind regards,
>  Frank.
> --
> Sigmentation fault
> --
> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
>
>
Wow, can you be even more of an ass?  He was pointing out how unlikely it
was that gmail was filtering the mailing list as spam; he wasn't whipping
out his dick like some elitist asshole ready to gloat about features of his
e-mail client.  Not like you.

That said, I've had a problem every now and then where gmail would tag an
e-mail from a mailing list as spam, but it's never happened with
gentoo-user; just was a wordpress-hackers mailing list e-mail, and only a
few.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 09 May 2008, Mark Shields wrote:
> That said, I've had a problem every now and then where gmail would
> tag an e-mail from a mailing list as spam, but it's never happened
> with gentoo-user; just was a wordpress-hackers mailing list e-mail,
> and only a few.

Very occasionally, posts from Linux Enthusiasts Association Durban 
(LEAD) and Gauteng Linux User Group (GLUG) are tagged by gmail as spam. 
The biggie though is wine-user, when I was still subscribed I'd find 
about 2 or 3 posts a week tagged as spam. I never found anything in 
those posts that could be interpreted as spam. Maybe it's something in 
the headers, GLUG's headers are ... em ... unusual.

gentoo-user always gets through 100% for me though.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 9 May 2008 10:09:50 -0400, Mark Shields wrote:

>  he wasn't whipping out his dick like some elitist asshole

That's got to be one of the most eye-watering mixed metaphors ever.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Aaron Clark]

On 7-May-08, at 5:39 AM, Dale wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I checked gentoo.org and even a quick search on the forums but  
> didn't see anything about a massive boo boo.  Just trying to see  
> what is up here.
>
> Pardon the noise but could someone reply to let me know it's still  
> working?  Last message I got was on the 22 of last month.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) --
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>


I have noticed in my server logs that the gentoo mail server has  
started using TLSv1 connections for delivery, although I don't know if  
there are any other behaviours that might be causing undelivery for you.

Aaron
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'gainst the fall of long night,
the mountains stand guard,
and the dead shall be ward,
for the grave is no bar to my call."
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is the mailing list working?

[Tony Caudel]

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On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Aaron Clark <ophidian@ophidian.homeip.net>
wrote:

>
> On 7-May-08, at 5:39 AM, Dale wrote:
>
>  Hi folks,
> >
> > I checked gentoo.org and even a quick search on the forums but didn't
> > see anything about a massive boo boo.  Just trying to see what is up here.
> >
> > Pardon the noise but could someone reply to let me know it's still
> > working?  Last message I got was on the 22 of last month.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-)  :-) --
> > gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
>
> I have noticed in my server logs that the gentoo mail server has started
> using TLSv1 connections for delivery, although I don't know if there are any
> other behaviours that might be causing undelivery for you.
>
> Aaron
> --
> "In the last, lorn fight
> 'gainst the fall of long night,
> the mountains stand guard,
> and the dead shall be ward,
> for the grave is no bar to my call."
> --The Horn Of Valere
>
>
>
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Can you notice about when they started using TLSv1?

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