From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KDO3B-0001VR-F6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:24:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5844BE02C8; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C7CE02C8 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([92.50.86.118]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwpI-1KDO390SMW-00005V; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:24:27 +0200 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:24:26 +0200 From: Sebastian =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's Message-ID: <20080630182425.GA7563@marvin.heimnetz.local> References: <28FC20CF-A74D-4C91-8F0C-9CEA66599471@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <4864b997.wuGCZVlMdDQKTIxH%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080627215052.381fe4ed@ilievnet.com> <486567c2.PzqXKZJYaHOvK7F7%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080628044126.3f44efe2@ilievnet.com> <48660d1b.B9v5pIdQ81gN10qj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080628213340.4d6c7a06@ilievnet.com> <486773e8.G33l2eZhX2KGazWK%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080629234342.GA16913@marvin.heimnetz.local> <48689db6.sqtZ/uk0I6fiHlDb%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48689db6.sqtZ/uk0I6fiHlDb%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/FVqkCaokUKplH7Hniudb812Kp+7uwdnwudRz boKqvW8LH12CpwVlWULm8l5BVNX3D+6m2QZzWgwKRM6M81Yf2o bAUWAQwIlRWdRLwS2NJqQ== X-Archives-Salt: 3ff3ad60-6088-4a2d-a63b-e31cca92f575 X-Archives-Hash: 54744b92f90941b0890ebb1befb7b753 --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Joerg Schilling (Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de) [30.06.08 10:48]: > The GPL however limits the usability of OpenSource as OSS and claims this > is in order to save OSS. The GPL allows GPLd software to use any kind of= =20 > software but disallows other OpenSource Software to use GPLd software. >=20 The main point is that this also disallows the usage within NonOSS=20 software. That's what counts. Many OSS licenses do not care about later=20 closed usage, and so one backdoor is closed, where GPL code may become=20 unfree. For me, some of the so called OSS licenses undermine the freedom and I=20 don't want them to be spread anymore. BSD is the one license where=20 freedom goes the step to far and is suicide. > Another big problem with the GPL is that the Free Software Foundation doe= s not=20 > care about leality in own projects. There are at least two official FSF= =20 > projects that did ilegally change the license of the code they use from o= ther=20 > projects. libcdio did change code taken from cdrtools from GPLv2-only to= =20 > GPLv2-or-any-later and vcdimager publishes code under GPL that never has = been=20 > put under GPL by the author. >=20 That's not a problem of the GPL, but of the FSF. You can't blame the GPL=20 for that. And I'm just curious: under which license was that code, which is now=20 in vcdimager? =20 >=20 > > And if I wrote software, I would not want people to reuse the codeit in= =20 > > closed source. So GPL is the right choice for me, because of the viral= =20 > > and supposed non-free issue. >=20 > If you like this, you do not need to forbid to use the software for other= OSS > as done by the GPL.=20 > =20 This is a all or nothing matter, or you end up categorizing every single=20 license if it fits.=20 And remember the GPL is a virus, that wants world domination. >=20 > > But remember, if more people contibute to a software project, then the= =20 > > license is some essential part of the collaboration. Changing it=20 > > requires the consensus of *all* people who *ever* contributed to it. >=20 > You are obviously uninformed about legal facts. In Europe as well as in t= he=20 > USA, "minor contributors" are not given the right to decide on this. >=20 Well, in which crude copyright law is this stated? link please. I think it is more a problem of the enforcement, not the laws itself. If=20 you do not fight for your right, you loose it. But I agree, that in our=20 society, it is a matter of money. But that is a problem in society. > > So changing a license is always cumbersome. >=20 > Then you should be against the GPL as many GPL people take BSD code=20 > and illegally add GPL tags. This may be tolerated by the authors but it i= s=20 > still forbidden by law. >=20 That is *again* not an issue of the GPL but of the authors, s.o., and=20 the licences changers. It's a people problem. And an issue of the BSD license: I'm not quite sure, but can't you do anything with source code under BSD licences, as long this infamous=20 copyright notice stays? What can happen to BSD code is shown with Kerberos, which ended up in=20 Active Directory with some uncompatiple changes and some really lousy,=20 security short commings. > J=F6rg >=20 When it is free, than it shall be free from here to eternity. Sebastian --=20 " Religion ist das Opium des Volkes. " Karl Marx SEB@STI@N G=DCNTHER mailto:samson@guenther-roetgen.de --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhpJNkACgkQ4zavaU1MGbQh/gCfZat5JObkTcCS1PpaDSN68hCC XDIAn0ER1HzcxRw4+/lKVDraWlvgciVr =4tA8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr-- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list