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From: Volker Armin Hemmann <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-user] h
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:10:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200806270010.20819.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200806262239.42820.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>

On Donnerstag, 26. Juni 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Thursday 26 June 2008, Sebastian Wiesner wrote:
> > Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> at Thursday 26 June 2008,
> > 10:54:43
> >
> > > The calculation is quite simple - measure how quickly a specific
> > > computer can match keys. Divide this into the size of the keyspace.
> > > The average time to brute force a key is half that value. AFAIK
> > > this still averages out at enormous numbers of years, even at
> > > insane calculation rates like what RoadRunner can achieve.
> >
> > According to Wikipedia RoadRunner is designed for 1.7 petaflops in
> > peak. Assuming for the sake of simplicity, that decryption can be
> > performed within a single flop:
> >
> > (2^256) / (1.7 * 10^15) / 2 ~= 3.5 * 10^61
> >
> > In years:
> >
> > 3.5 * 10^61 / 3600 / 24 / 356 ~= 10^54
> >
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems impossible to me, to reduce
> > this get the required amount somewhere near to the life time of a
> > human being ;)
>
> Even with your ultra-liberal assumptions, it still comes out to:
>
> 1000000000000000000000000000000000000
>
> times longer than the entire universe is believed to have existed thus
> far (14 billion years). That is an unbelievable stupendously long
> period of time. Yeah, I'd agree that brute force is utterly unfeasible
> as a vector of attack. Not even the almighty NSA could ever pull that
> one off as there simply aren't enough atoms in the universe to make a
> supercomputer big enough.
>
> Numbers don't lie.

and this is why nobody uses brute force.

There a better ways to crack keys. NSA has tons of experts in mathematics and 
cryptoanalysis. Plus very sophisticated hardware. I am sure for most ciphers 
they use something much more efficient than stupid brute force.

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-26 22:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-25  2:20 [gentoo-user] loop-aes + extra-ciphers Chris Walters
2008-06-25  5:43 ` Dirk Heinrichs
2008-06-25 13:20 ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-25 15:14   ` Chris Walters
2008-06-25 18:51     ` Sebastian Wiesner
2008-06-25 20:25       ` Chris Walters
2008-06-25 21:24         ` Sebastian Wiesner
2008-06-25 21:53           ` Jason Rivard
2008-06-25 22:10             ` Sebastian Wiesner
2008-06-26  2:22               ` [gentoo-user] My last words on cryptology and cryptography Chris Walters
2008-06-26  8:54                 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-26 18:35                   ` kashani
2008-06-26 21:52                     ` Steven Lembark
2008-06-27  0:06                       ` kashani
2008-06-27 13:04                       ` Sebastian Wiesner
2008-06-26 20:14                   ` Sebastian Wiesner
2008-06-26 20:39                     ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-26 22:10                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann [this message]
2008-06-26 22:47                         ` [gentoo-user] h Sebastian Günther
2008-06-26 23:37                           ` Neil Bothwick
2008-06-27  9:44                             ` Stroller
2008-06-27 10:08                               ` Neil Bothwick
2008-06-27 13:48                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-27 22:00                                   ` Chris Walters
2008-06-27 20:26                                 ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-27  0:16                           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2008-06-27  0:28                           ` kashani
2008-06-27  8:51                             ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-27  8:59                               ` Neil Bothwick
2008-06-27 13:21                             ` Sebastian Wiesner
2008-06-27  8:42                         ` Alan McKinnon

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