[gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is "best"?

[gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is "best"?

[Walter Dnes]

  I haven't seen an interesting site using Java for a long while.  I
recently stumbled across http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/ and
decided it would be nice to actually view it.  I haven't had Java on my
machines for a long while.  There are a few Java implementations
available (Sun/Blackdown/IBM/BEA/Kaffe/others?), so my question is...

  - which one gives the least trouble setting up and running?

  Since I'm only going to be using it a few times a month, I'm not too
worried about benchmarks, unless an implementation is excruciatingly
slow.

  I only need a runtime.  I don't know the programming language, so
there's no need for a full-blown development environment.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is "best"?

[Florian Philipp]

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On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:24:57 -0400
"Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:

>   I haven't seen an interesting site using Java for a long while.  I
> recently stumbled across http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/ and
> decided it would be nice to actually view it.  I haven't had Java on
> my machines for a long while.  There are a few Java implementations
> available (Sun/Blackdown/IBM/BEA/Kaffe/others?), so my question is...
> 
>   - which one gives the least trouble setting up and running?
> 
>   Since I'm only going to be using it a few times a month, I'm not too
> worried about benchmarks, unless an implementation is excruciatingly
> slow.
> 
>   I only need a runtime.  I don't know the programming language, so
> there's no need for a full-blown development environment.
> 

Take Sun JRE. In terms of headaches per month, the quasi standard
implementation is unbeatable.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is "best"?

[ionut cucu]

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:37:28 +0200
Florian Philipp <lists@f_philipp.fastmail.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:24:57 -0400
> "Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
> 
> >   I haven't seen an interesting site using Java for a long while.  I
> > recently stumbled across http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/ and
> > decided it would be nice to actually view it.  I haven't had Java on
> > my machines for a long while.  There are a few Java implementations
> > available (Sun/Blackdown/IBM/BEA/Kaffe/others?), so my question
> > is...
> > 
> >   - which one gives the least trouble setting up and running?
> > 
> >   Since I'm only going to be using it a few times a month, I'm not
> > too worried about benchmarks, unless an implementation is
> > excruciatingly slow.
> > 
> >   I only need a runtime.  I don't know the programming language, so
> > there's no need for a full-blown development environment.
> > 
> 
> Take Sun JRE. In terms of headaches per month, the quasi standard
> implementation is unbeatable.
Unless you have a 64 arch
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Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is "best"?

[Florian Philipp]

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:12:51 +0300
ionut cucu <cuciferus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:37:28 +0200
> Florian Philipp <lists@f_philipp.fastmail.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:24:57 -0400
> > "Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
> > Take Sun JRE. In terms of headaches per month, the quasi standard
> > implementation is unbeatable.
> Unless you have a 64 arch

I'm on AMD64 and am programming java, too. Until now I haven't had a
problem with SUN JDK (1.6). Of course, it doesn't supply a browser
plugin, but I'm not aware of any JRE doing it at the moment and thanks
to nspluginwrapper, there is no urgent need for it, either.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is "best"?

[Florian Philipp]

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:24:10 +0200
Florian Philipp <lists@f_philipp.fastmail.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:12:51 +0300
> ionut cucu <cuciferus@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:37:28 +0200
> > Florian Philipp <lists@f_philipp.fastmail.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:24:57 -0400
> > > "Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
> > > Take Sun JRE. In terms of headaches per month, the quasi standard
> > > implementation is unbeatable.
> > Unless you have a 64 arch
> 
> I'm on AMD64 and am programming java, too. Until now I haven't had a
> problem with SUN JDK (1.6). Of course, it doesn't supply a browser
> plugin, but I'm not aware of any JRE doing it at the moment and thanks
> to nspluginwrapper, there is no urgent need for it, either.

I have to correct myself. As it seems, GNU-Classpath provides an
nsplugin. I haven't tested it yet (and I won't because I need
emul-linux-x86-java anyway and the current way works for me).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is "best"?

[Walter Dnes]

On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 10:24:57AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote
> 
>   - which one gives the least trouble setting up and running?

  Thanks for your input everybody.  According to /proc/cpuinfo, I'm
running an "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+", but it's in 32-bit
mode.  I'll go with Sun Java.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is "best"?

[Walter Dnes]

On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 10:24:57AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote

>   I only need a runtime.  I don't know the programming language, so
> there's no need for a full-blown development environment.

  OK, so I *WAS* going to try the Sun JRE.  It seems that there's no
such animal.  You have to download the fullblown developer's kit...

[m3000][root][~] emerge -pv virtual/jre

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.15  7 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-2.1.6  40 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-1.3.7  15 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/sun-jdk-1.6.0.05  USE="X alsa nsplugin -doc -examples -jce -odbc" 68,885 kB
[ebuild  N    ] virtual/jdk-1.6.0  0 kB
[ebuild  N    ] virtual/jre-1.6.0  0 kB

[m3000][root][~] emerge -pv virtual/jdk

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.15  7 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-2.1.6  40 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-1.3.7  15 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/sun-jdk-1.6.0.05  USE="X alsa nsplugin -doc -examples -jce -odbc" 68,885 kB
[ebuild  N    ] virtual/jdk-1.6.0  0 kB

  I had always wondered why Sun's Java could be shoehorned into memory-
starved cellphones, but required a full gigbyte of diskspace on a PC,
merely to view a Java applet on a webpage.  Now I know.  Next thing I
looked at was Blackdown...

[m3000][root][~] emerge -pv blackdown-jre

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.15  7 kB
[ebuild  N    ] net-libs/libnet-1.1.2.1-r1  USE="-doc" 998 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-2.1.6  40 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-1.3.7  15 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/blackdown-jre-1.4.2.03-r14  USE="X alsa (-nsplugin) -odbc" 13,225 kB

[m3000][root][~] emerge -pv blackdown-jdk

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.15  7 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-2.1.6  40 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-1.3.7  15 kB
[ebuild  N    ] dev-java/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03-r15  USE="-doc (-nsplugin)" 33,571 kB

  The jdk is significantly smaller, and the jre even moreso.  However,
the "(-nsplugin)" scares me.  Does that mean it doesn't have the ability
to view Java applets in Firefox via plugins???  What's the point?  Even
with a desktop PC, a gigabyte here and a gigabyte there, and pretty soon
you're talking real significant diskspace.  I plan on getting an ASUS
EEE 900 soon.  And on that thing, a gigabyte to view webpage applets is a
very bad idea.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Which Java Runtime is "best"?

[ABCD]

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Walter Dnes wrote:
>>   I only need a runtime.  I don't know the programming language, so
>> there's no need for a full-blown development environment.
> 
>   OK, so I *WAS* going to try the Sun JRE.  It seems that there's no
> such animal.  You have to download the fullblown developer's kit...

Try dev-java/sun-jre-bin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Which Java Runtime is "best"?

[Aaron Clark]

Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 10:24:57AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote
> 
>>   I only need a runtime.  I don't know the programming language, so
>> there's no need for a full-blown development environment.
> 
>   OK, so I *WAS* going to try the Sun JRE.  It seems that there's no
> such animal.  You have to download the fullblown developer's kit...

SNIP!

> [m3000][root][~] emerge -pv blackdown-jre
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.15  7 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] net-libs/libnet-1.1.2.1-r1  USE="-doc" 998 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-2.1.6  40 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-1.3.7  15 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] dev-java/blackdown-jre-1.4.2.03-r14  USE="X alsa (-nsplugin) -odbc" 13,225 kB
> 
> [m3000][root][~] emerge -pv blackdown-jdk
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-wrapper-0.15  7 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-2.1.6  40 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] dev-java/java-config-1.3.7  15 kB
> [ebuild  N    ] dev-java/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03-r15  USE="-doc (-nsplugin)" 33,571 kB
> 
>   The jdk is significantly smaller, and the jre even moreso.  However,
> the "(-nsplugin)" scares me.  Does that mean it doesn't have the ability
> to view Java applets in Firefox via plugins???  What's the point?  Even
> with a desktop PC, a gigabyte here and a gigabyte there, and pretty soon
> you're talking real significant diskspace.  I plan on getting an ASUS
> EEE 900 soon.  And on that thing, a gigabyte to view webpage applets is a
> very bad idea.

Even the Sun JDK is not more than 100MB, I don't see the big deal.  As 
for the plugin, IIRC the Blackdown JRE/JDK have an unpatched security 
issue with the browser plugin, which is why the plugin is turned off.

You may have better luck getting more in-depth answers on the 
gentoo-java mail list.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Which Java Runtime is "best"?

[Walter Dnes]

On Sat, Jun 07, 2008 at 09:20:17PM -0400, ABCD wrote

> >   OK, so I *WAS* going to try the Sun JRE.  It seems that there's no
> > such animal.  You have to download the fullblown developer's kit...
> 
> Try dev-java/sun-jre-bin

  <ELVIS>Thank you, thank you, thank you verrrry verrrry much</ELVIS>
That's exactly what I was looking for.

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