[gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[luis jure]

hello list,

i bought i laptop with windows xp pre-installed. i shrunk the windows
partition to install my gentoo linux, which is what i normally use. but
the machine is still dual boot.

several years ago (8-9) i tried a 30-days demo version of vmware and it
was quite efficient running windows in a virtual machine under linux.

now i found that there are many ebuilds to install vmware, and i'm a
bit confused:

first, there are many different ebuilds, what do i need to run the
windows xp i have installed in a different partition?

second, vmware is not free in the sense that you have to buy it, what
does the ebuild install? a free version? a demo?

i found a few pages on the net explaining how to install vmware on
gentoo, but i'm not clear about those issues. thanks for any hint.

best,

lj
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[Michael Higgins]

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:10:20 -0300
luis jure <ljc@internet.com.uy> wrote:

> 
> 
> hello list,

[8<]

> 
> i found a few pages on the net explaining how to install vmware on
> gentoo, but i'm not clear about those issues. thanks for any hint.

http://archiver.mailfighter.net/gentoo-user/2008/January/1600.html

My recent experience.

HTH.

Cheers,

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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[b.n.]

Michael Higgins ha scritto:
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:10:20 -0300
> luis jure <ljc@internet.com.uy> wrote:
> 
>>
>> hello list,
> 
> [8<]
> 
>> i found a few pages on the net explaining how to install vmware on
>> gentoo, but i'm not clear about those issues. thanks for any hint.
> 
> http://archiver.mailfighter.net/gentoo-user/2008/January/1600.html
> 
> My recent experience.

Wow, what an hell!
My experience with vmware itself (I use vmware-player and that known 
website that creates images, I don't remember the url) is a lot 
smoother. However I never tried to run a system already installed on 
another partition.

I've never tried Virtualbox, but I heard a lot of praise on it. Can it 
run a system installed on a disk partition?

m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[luis jure]

El Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:12:15 +0200
"b.n." <brullonulla@gmail.com> escribió:

> My experience with vmware itself (I use vmware-player and that known 
> website that creates images, I don't remember the url) is a lot 
> smoother. However I never tried to run a system already installed on 
> another partition.

that's a good question. does anyone know if vmware-player can run a
system already installed on a different partition?

 
> I've never tried Virtualbox, but I heard a lot of praise on it. Can
> it run a system installed on a disk partition?

i just discovered virtualbox, it looks like an interesting alternative.
has anyone tried it? after reading michael's experience i'm not very
enthusiastic about installing vmware...
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 23:50:42 -0300, luis jure wrote:

> that's a good question. does anyone know if vmware-player can run a
> system already installed on a different partition?

Is that a Windows system? If so you'll have problems because the virtual
machine shows up as different hardware and the Microsoft
profit-protection system will kick in requiring you to reactivate Windows.


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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[Stroller]

On 3 Apr 2008, at 09:38, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 23:50:42 -0300, luis jure wrote:
>
>> that's a good question. does anyone know if vmware-player can run a
>> system already installed on a different partition?
>
> Is that a Windows system? If so you'll have problems because the  
> virtual
> machine shows up as different hardware and the Microsoft
> profit-protection system will kick in requiring you to reactivate  
> Windows.

This isn't really a problem - you just phone the number given (if it  
doesn't activate online) and tell them you reinstalled Windows.

If you're using a retail license then you only have to confirm the  
software has been uninstalled from the previous machine.

If you're using an OEM license then you have to be sure to say that  
you're reinstalling on the same machine and that you didn't buy the  
software separately but that "it's a sticker on the side of the PC"  
that was supplied at the time of purchase. You are legally entitled -  
in Europe - to transfer an OEM Windows license from one PC to  
another, but Microsoft may be reluctant to accept this fact. It's not  
worth discussing the  matter with their call-centre staff, and I have  
successfully transferred a license key a number of times - their  
system of activation codes doesn't actually consider whether the  
hardware has changed.

Likewise I wouldn't confuse them by discussing VM.

Stroller.
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:02:57 +0100, Stroller wrote:

> > Is that a Windows system? If so you'll have problems because the  
> > virtual
> > machine shows up as different hardware and the Microsoft
> > profit-protection system will kick in requiring you to reactivate  
> > Windows.  
> 
> This isn't really a problem - you just phone the number given (if it  
> doesn't activate online) and tell them you reinstalled Windows.

But then you can't use the native installation.


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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[Stroller]

On 3 Apr 2008, at 20:26, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:02:57 +0100, Stroller wrote:
>
>>> Is that a Windows system? If so you'll have problems because the
>>> virtual
>>> machine shows up as different hardware and the Microsoft
>>> profit-protection system will kick in requiring you to reactivate
>>> Windows.
>>
>> This isn't really a problem - you just phone the number given (if it
>> doesn't activate online) and tell them you reinstalled Windows.
>
> But then you can't use the native installation.

Oh, my apologies. I wasn't paying attention.

Stroller.
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[Kenji Tan]

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The link to the site:

http://www.easyvmx.com/



luis jure <ljc@internet.com.uy> wrote: El Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:12:15 +0200
"b.n." 
 escribió:

> My experience with vmware itself (I use vmware-player and that known 
> website that creates images, I don't remember the url) is a lot 
> smoother. However I never tried to run a system already installed on 
> another partition.

that's a good question. does anyone know if vmware-player can run a
system already installed on a different partition?

 
> I've never tried Virtualbox, but I heard a lot of praise on it. Can
> it run a system installed on a disk partition?

i just discovered virtualbox, it looks like an interesting alternative.
has anyone tried it? after reading michael's experience i'm not very
enthusiastic about installing vmware...
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[Mick]

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On Thursday 03 April 2008, luis jure wrote:
> El Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:12:15 +0200
>
> "b.n." <brullonulla@gmail.com> escribió:
> > My experience with vmware itself (I use vmware-player and that known
> > website that creates images, I don't remember the url) is a lot
> > smoother. However I never tried to run a system already installed on
> > another partition.
>
> that's a good question. does anyone know if vmware-player can run a
> system already installed on a different partition?
>
> > I've never tried Virtualbox, but I heard a lot of praise on it. Can
> > it run a system installed on a disk partition?
>
> i just discovered virtualbox, it looks like an interesting alternative.
> has anyone tried it? after reading michael's experience i'm not very
> enthusiastic about installing vmware...

I am about to try virtualbox on my wifes machine.  According to the manual you 
can run an existing installation (using raw disk access) but a number of 
other problems make this less of a practical solution for me; e.g. you must 
shut the VM down before you can dual boot into it normally, you have to 
register it in VM afresh, etc.  There may be workarounds to the registration 
issue though: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-579333.html

What I haven't worked out yet is this.  Can I create an image from the 
original installation and use this with the VM?  How do I go about this?
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[Thierry de Coulon]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Mick wrote:
>
> I am about to try virtualbox on my wifes machine.  According to the manual
> you can run an existing installation (using raw disk access) but a number
> of other problems make this less of a practical solution for me; e.g. you
> must shut the VM down before you can dual boot into it normally, you have
> to register it in VM afresh, etc.  There may be workarounds to the
> registration issue though: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-579333.html
>
> What I haven't worked out yet is this.  Can I create an image from the
> original installation and use this with the VM?  How do I go about this?

The problem I've run into with VirtualBox is that network only uses NAT, while 
VMWare uses bridging. Probably only a question of understanding how to set up 
NAT - seems easy if you're using DHCP but I use fixed IP's

Thierry


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[gentoo-user] Re: installing vmware?

[Francesco Talamona]

On Friday 04 April 2008, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
> The problem I've run into with VirtualBox is that network only uses
> NAT, while VMWare uses bridging. Probably only a question of
> understanding how to set up NAT - seems easy if you're using DHCP but
> I use fixed IP's

VirtualBox can be configured in either way! 
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Advanced_Networking_Linux

Ciao
	Francesco

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: installing vmware?

[Thierry de Coulon]

On Friday 04 April 2008, Francesco Talamona wrote:
>
> VirtualBox can be configured in either way!
> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Advanced_Networking_Linux
>
> Ciao
> 	Francesco

Many Thanks! I'll give it a try.

Not being a network expert, I must admit I used the wizards... and virtualboy 
had no "bridge" wizard :)

Thierry

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Re: [gentoo-user] installing vmware?

[Joshua D Doll]

luis jure wrote:
> hello list,
>
> i bought i laptop with windows xp pre-installed. i shrunk the windows
> partition to install my gentoo linux, which is what i normally use. but
> the machine is still dual boot.
>
> several years ago (8-9) i tried a 30-days demo version of vmware and it
> was quite efficient running windows in a virtual machine under linux.
>
> now i found that there are many ebuilds to install vmware, and i'm a
> bit confused:
>
> first, there are many different ebuilds, what do i need to run the
> windows xp i have installed in a different partition?
>
> second, vmware is not free in the sense that you have to buy it, what
> does the ebuild install? a free version? a demo?
>
> i found a few pages on the net explaining how to install vmware on
> gentoo, but i'm not clear about those issues. thanks for any hint.
>
> best,
>
> lj
>   
1. I know workstation will do it, maybe server.

2. The ebuild installs the full version, you get with workstation a 
evaluation key which you enter the first time you run it. Or if you 
actually purchase a key you can do that. Either way it's the same files. 
There is a fetch restriction on the ebuild which requires you to 
download the tarball from VMware and place it in your distdir. I would 
also like to point out that server is free to use. VMware gives it away 
in hopes that you will like it and want to purchase one of their other 
products.

I have had very few issues with VMware on my system it was easy to 
setup, and has rarely given me issues. The only issues I have had were 
brought on by my need to share the VM with multiple users on my desktop, 
and that was just a matter of getting the permissions right. I've also 
heard good things about Virtualbox, but haven't played with it myself. 
Since all of VMware's production are usually free to use for at least 30 
days I'd suggest playing with as many of them as you can, that is if you 
really want to go the VMware route. I've found their products to be 
pretty solid and reliable.


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