[gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Alan McKinnon]

Hi,

Any KDE experts in the house?

Short question: What determines how the Go menu in Konqueror is 
populated?

Long version: I used to have nice items in this menu - System, Trash, 
Removeable Media stuff plus some preconfigured ssh/fish connections. I 
find these things to be handy. A while ago they went away and I only 
noticed it after a while, too late to spot what changed just before. 
Now the only this in the menu are History, Most Often Visited and a 
list of the last 10 URLs used.

With genlop I found some stuff going on round about that time:

Emerge kde-4 then ran it with the ~/.kde link still pointing to 
~/.kde3.5
Emerge kde-3.5.9
Upgrade hal to 0.5.10
Remove zeroconf and avahi

I investigated each of those, downgraded hal and put zeroconf back, no 
joy. I thought kde-4 might have screwed the 3.5.9 config dirs, so 
moved .kde3.5/ out of the way and re-started Konqueror, no joy. 
Konqueror-4 shows the same behaviour.
My normal wm is e17, this does not appear to affect it as I get the same 
with a KDE desktop as well.

The Google-force is not strong with this one, got no sane search 
results. Can't find any config settings in $KDE_DIR that look relevant 
either. Can't find anything in KDE changelog to indicate if this 
feature is removed.

So now I'm clueless and have no idea where to look next. Help, anyone?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Crayon Shin Chan]

On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Short question: What determines how the Go menu in Konqueror is
> populated?

have you fiddled with:

right-click (on the taskbar menu button) ->
[Panel Menu] ->
[Configure Panel] ->
[Menus]

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
> On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Short question: What determines how the Go menu in Konqueror is
> > populated?
>
> have you fiddled with:
>
> right-click (on the taskbar menu button) ->
> [Panel Menu] ->
> [Configure Panel] ->
> [Menus]

Thanks for answering, only one so far?

That's for the K-menu, I'm looking to populate Go on Konqueror's menu 
bar, which is something else entirely.

Anyone know? Or is my question so way out there that no-one knows?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[darren kirby]

quoth the Alan McKinnon:
>
> Thanks for answering, only one so far?
>
> That's for the K-menu, I'm looking to populate Go on Konqueror's menu
> bar, which is something else entirely.
>
> Anyone know? Or is my question so way out there that no-one knows?

I've often found that the answer to these sorts of questions can by found by 
poking through the ~/.kde directory. Have a look through 
~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/ and see if you can find something promising. 
There are still a few things in kde that can only be configured through the 
text files I think...

Anyway, hopefully this will get you started until someone can give you a real 
answer ;)

>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:06:37 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> That's for the K-menu, I'm looking to populate Go on Konqueror's menu 
> bar, which is something else entirely.

Does it reappear if you create a new user?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Uwe Thiem]

On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Crayon Shin Chan wrote:
> > On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > Short question: What determines how the Go menu in Konqueror is
> > > populated?
> >
> > have you fiddled with:
> >
> > right-click (on the taskbar menu button) ->
> > [Panel Menu] ->
> > [Configure Panel] ->
> > [Menus]
>
> Thanks for answering, only one so far?
>
> That's for the K-menu, I'm looking to populate Go on Konqueror's
> menu bar, which is something else entirely.
>
> Anyone know? Or is my question so way out there that no-one knows?
>
>
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Basically, it is the history of your browsing. *You* populate it by 
browsing different sites.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Crayon Shin Chan]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> That's for the K-menu, I'm looking to populate Go on Konqueror's menu
> bar, which is something else entirely.

Silly me, I mis-read your question :-/

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 02 April 2008, darren kirby wrote:
> I've often found that the answer to these sorts of questions can by
> found by poking through the ~/.kde directory. Have a look through
> ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/ and see if you can find something
> promising. There are still a few things in kde that can only be
> configured through the text files I think...
>
> Anyway, hopefully this will get you started until someone can give
> you a real answer ;)

Thanks, it does help!

I checked ~/.kde3.5/share/apps/konqueror and found settings where it 
appears to merge other menus into the main menu, and gets them 
from /usr/kde/3.5/share/apps/ui/ui_something-or-other

This was at midnight so I rather went to bed :-) Sometime today I'll 
check in more detail and see what gives

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:

> Basically, it is the history of your browsing. *You* populate it by
> browsing different sites.

Are we talking about the same thing? I mean the top half, it contains 
Back, Forward and Up items, as well as System:/, Trash:/, various 
removable media and fish/ssh/smb sessions

The bottom half of the menu is a recent history and that does appear to 
work correctly


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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:52:41 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Are we talking about the same thing? I mean the top half, it contains 
> Back, Forward and Up items, as well as System:/, Trash:/, various 
> removable media and fish/ssh/smb sessions

I was using my Desktop when I answered before, now I'm using my laptop and
most of my Go menu has disappeared too, the first item is History.
Although I am using KDE 3.5, this laptop does have KDE 4 installed,
whereas the desktop does not. I know you've dabbled in KDE 4 too, so I
wonder if that could be a factor.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Uwe Thiem]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Thursday 03 April 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > Basically, it is the history of your browsing. *You* populate it
> > by browsing different sites.
>
> Are we talking about the same thing? I mean the top half, it
> contains Back, Forward and Up items, as well as System:/, Trash:/,
> various removable media and fish/ssh/smb sessions

Ahem. No, we are not talking about the same thing. ;-) But I can see 
from your other reply that you have already found something to get 
your hands dirty.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Uwe Thiem]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:52:41 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Are we talking about the same thing? I mean the top half, it
> > contains Back, Forward and Up items, as well as System:/,
> > Trash:/, various removable media and fish/ssh/smb sessions
>
> I was using my Desktop when I answered before, now I'm using my
> laptop and most of my Go menu has disappeared too, the first item
> is History. Although I am using KDE 3.5, this laptop does have KDE
> 4 installed, whereas the desktop does not. I know you've dabbled in
> KDE 4 too, so I wonder if that could be a factor.

I am on 4.0.2 (though 3.5.9 is installed - just not used at the 
moment) but my menu entries are there. All of them.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:06:37 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > That's for the K-menu, I'm looking to populate Go on Konqueror's
> > menu bar, which is something else entirely.
>
> Does it reappear if you create a new user?

I had tried that before, and got confusing inconsistent results, so 
tried a few things again to make sure:

Last night, I launched kde (rather than the usual e17) and ran the Super 
User FileManager Mode from the System menu. The thing worked correctly, 
but only that once! The second time I tried it, it no longer worked 
correctly - menu is the same as I get for my regular user.

Creating a new user and logging into e17 also gives the same symptom, as 
does logging into kde desktop with a new user.

So, the only thing that gave me a correct Go menu (and only did it once) 
was running konqueror in the file management profile under sudo

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:52:41 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Are we talking about the same thing? I mean the top half, it
> > contains Back, Forward and Up items, as well as System:/, Trash:/,
> > various removable media and fish/ssh/smb sessions
>
> I was using my Desktop when I answered before, now I'm using my
> laptop and most of my Go menu has disappeared too, the first item is
> History. Although I am using KDE 3.5, this laptop does have KDE 4
> installed, whereas the desktop does not. I know you've dabbled in KDE
> 4 too, so I wonder if that could be a factor.

The first time I did notice it was after building kde4 and logging in 
without taking care to move my ~/.kde out of the way.

I see the correlation, but having a hard time believing it - 3.5 and 4 
maintain separate dot dirs and should be completely separate, just like 
moving from 3.4 to 3.5 did and everything else before. Perhaps there's 
a collision in /usr/kde/3.5/ between 4 and 3.5?

On your machine that still works, can you looksee what is in 
~/kde3.5/share/apps/konqueor/konquerorrc under the section for the Go 
menu? Mine looks like such:

  <Menu name="go" >
   <text>&amp;Go</text>
<!-- go_up, go_back, go_forward, go_home: coming from 
ui_standards.rc -->   <Merge/>
   <Action name="go_history" />
   <Action name="go_most_often" />
   <Separator/>
   <Action name="history" />
   <Action name="closedtabs" />
  </Menu>

and my (excerpted) ui_standards.rc looks like:

  <Menu name="go_web"><text>&amp;Go</text>
    <Action name="go_up"/>
    <Action name="go_back"/>
    <Action name="go_forward"/>
    <Action name="go_home"/>
    <Separator/>
    <MergeLocal/>
  </Menu>
  <Menu name="go_document"><text>&amp;Go</text>
    <Action name="go_previous"/>
    <Action name="go_next"/>
    <Action name="go_goto_page"/>
    <Action name="go_goto_line"/>
    <Action name="go_goto"/>
    <Separator/>
    <Action name="go_first"/>
    <Action name="go_last"/>
    <Separator/>
    <MergeLocal/>
  </Menu>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Peter Ruskin]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On your machine that still works, can you looksee what is in
> ~/kde3.5/share/apps/konqueor/konquerorrc under the section for
> the Go menu? Mine looks like such:
>
>   <Menu name="go" >
>    <text>&amp;Go</text>
> <!-- go_up, go_back, go_forward, go_home: coming from
> ui_standards.rc -->   <Merge/>
>    <Action name="go_history" />
>    <Action name="go_most_often" />
>    <Separator/>
>    <Action name="history" />
>    <Action name="closedtabs" />
>   </Menu>

This is mine:
  <Menu name="go" >
   <text>&amp;Go</text>
   <Action name="back" />
   <Action name="forward" />
   <Action name="up" />
   <Action name="home" />
   <Separator/>
   <Action name="go_system" />
   <Action name="go_applications" />
   <Action name="go_network_folders" />
   <Action name="go_settings" />
   <Action name="go_media" />
   <Action name="go_dirtree" />
   <Action name="go_trash" />
   <Action name="go_autostart" />
   <Action name="go_history" />
   <Action name="go_most_often" />
   <Separator/>
   <Action name="history" />
  </Menu>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:33:19 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> On your machine that still works, can you looksee what is in 
> ~/kde3.5/share/apps/konqueor/konquerorrc under the section for the Go 
> menu? Mine looks like such:
> 
>   <Menu name="go" >
>    <text>&amp;Go</text>
> <!-- go_up, go_back, go_forward, go_home: coming from 
> ui_standards.rc -->   <Merge/>
>    <Action name="go_history" />
>    <Action name="go_most_often" />
>    <Separator/>
>    <Action name="history" />
>    <Action name="closedtabs" />
>   </Menu>

It's konqueror.rc here, but the file is definitely different to yours:

  <Menu name="go" >
   <text>&amp;Go</text>
   <Action name="back" />
   <Action name="forward" />
   <Action name="up" />
   <Action name="home" />
   <Separator/>
   <Action name="go_system" />
   <Action name="go_applications" />
   <Action name="go_network_folders" />
   <Action name="go_settings" />
   <Action name="go_media" />
   <Action name="go_dirtree" />
   <Action name="go_trash" />
   <Action name="go_autostart" />
   <Action name="go_history" />
   <Action name="go_most_often" />
   <Separator/>
   <Action name="history" />
  </Menu>

I pasted that into the laptop's file and the menu entries are back.

Thank for pointing out a problem I didn't even know I had and giving me
the solution ;-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Peter Ruskin wrote:
> On Thursday 03 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On your machine that still works, can you looksee what is in
> > ~/kde3.5/share/apps/konqueor/konquerorrc under the section for
> > the Go menu? Mine looks like such:

<snip>

> This is mine:

<snip>

Well that certainly fixed it - thanks Peter!

Next question I suppose is what changed the config in the first place? 
and does kde supply some tool to modify application menus?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:33:19 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On your machine that still works, can you looksee what is in
> > ~/kde3.5/share/apps/konqueor/konquerorrc under the section for the
> > Go menu? Mine looks like such:
<snip>

> It's konqueror.rc here, but the file is definitely different to
> yours:

<snip>

Oops. Filename typo on my part :-)

So that makes 2 of us now, and we both fiddled with kde-4 just before. 
Time for a bug report at kde methinks.

Uwe, you also use kde-4. What do you now have in your 
~/kde3.5/share/apps/konqueor/konqueror.rc?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Uwe Thiem]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:33:19 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On your machine that still works, can you looksee what is in
> > ~/kde3.5/share/apps/konqueor/konquerorrc under the section for
> > the Go menu? Mine looks like such:
> >
> >   <Menu name="go" >
> >    <text>&amp;Go</text>
> > <!-- go_up, go_back, go_forward, go_home: coming from
> > ui_standards.rc -->   <Merge/>
> >    <Action name="go_history" />
> >    <Action name="go_most_often" />
> >    <Separator/>
> >    <Action name="history" />
> >    <Action name="closedtabs" />
> >   </Menu>
>
> It's konqueror.rc here, but the file is definitely different to
> yours:

I neither have a ~/.kde3.5/share/apps/konquerorrc nor a 
~/.kde3.5/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc. I do have a 
~/.kde3.5/share/config/konquerorrc but it doesn't contain any <Menu 
name="go"> section.

Hm...

Weird.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Uwe Thiem]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Thursday 03 April 2008, Peter Ruskin wrote:
> > On Thursday 03 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > On your machine that still works, can you looksee what is in
> > > ~/kde3.5/share/apps/konqueor/konquerorrc under the section for
> > > the Go menu? Mine looks like such:
>
> <snip>
>
> > This is mine:
>
> <snip>
>
> Well that certainly fixed it - thanks Peter!
>
> Next question I suppose is what changed the config in the first
> place? 

Good question! I have no idea.

> and does kde supply some tool to modify application menus? 

Not to my knowledge.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror Go menu - missing items

[Uwe Thiem]

On Thursday 03 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Thursday 03 April 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:33:19 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > On your machine that still works, can you looksee what is in
> > > ~/kde3.5/share/apps/konqueor/konquerorrc under the section for
> > > the Go menu? Mine looks like such:
>
> <snip>
>
> > It's konqueror.rc here, but the file is definitely different to
> > yours:
>
> <snip>
>
> Oops. Filename typo on my part :-)
>
> So that makes 2 of us now, and we both fiddled with kde-4 just
> before. Time for a bug report at kde methinks.
>
> Uwe, you also use kde-4. What do you now have in your
> ~/kde3.5/share/apps/konqueor/konqueror.rc?

I don't have such a file, neither under ~/.kde3.5 not under ~/.kde4.0. 
See my other mail.

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