From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jbz1e-0004W1-80 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:12:18 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D111CE03CD; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from s15216962.onlinehome-server.info (s15216962.onlinehome-server.info [217.160.22.205]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927C9E03CD for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by s15216962.onlinehome-server.info (8.13.3/8.13.3) with UUCP id m2JECFjE024424 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:12:15 +0100 Received: (from weigelt@localhost) by nibiru.metux.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) id m2JEBkjc020217 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:11:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:11:46 +0100 From: Enrico Weigelt To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] expat upgrade, kdelibs: circular problem? Message-ID: <20080319141145.GA9409@nibiru.local> References: <93ae19410803170148m31431561p698231f7681ba403@mail.gmail.com> <20080318184954.GA22103@nibiru.local> <200803190858.49288.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200803190858.49288.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Terror: bin laden, kill bush, Briefbombe, Massenvernichtung, KZ, X-Nazi: Weisse Rasse, Hitlers Wiederauferstehung, 42, X-Antichrist: weg mit schaeuble, ausrotten, heiliger krieg, al quaida, X-Killer: 23, endloesung, Weltuntergang, X-Doof: wer das liest ist doof X-Archives-Salt: c34a1167-e310-499f-96ba-5b0b2d9a0a95 X-Archives-Hash: 9a6fbfad196573baf0e83e091a25afe3 * Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tuesday 18 March 2008, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > > BTW: if libexpat.so.0 was there before the update and now isn't, > > there's an major bug in expat (either the ebuild or the source). > > There's no bug in expat, the OP is doing an *expat*upgrade*, which > means that libexpat.so.0 was there before and libexpat.so.1 is there > now. Thus any app that links explicitly to libexpat.so.0 is now broken. If an upgrade breaks primary things, it's simply broken. You can now choose, whether the bug is expat or the ebuild/portage. > 2. Something like revdep-rebuild that scans the system looking for > errors and is triggered manually by the user. This is also ugly and error-prone. After every slightest upgrade you have to fear nothing's running anymore and everything has to be rebuilt first. If downtimes don't matter, fine. But for critical systems, this is very dangerous. Why not modeling/storing the *runtime* dependencies and doing an *clean* MVCC ? Isn't this what slotting was meant for ? ;-P > Imagine using a binary distro where the packager didn't > pick this up and you are left stranded with no easy way to fix it... Then the package manager's obviously broken ... cu -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Enrico Weigelt == metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list