[gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Michael Higgins]

Hello, folks --

Most days, I work remotely from the 'ndoze net via rdesktop when I have
to access it for some reason. But the bandwidth there is getting choked
as others follow suit.

I'm thinking I'd have a better time of it if I just had my own little
toybox -- I mean, Windows XP installation -- at home. Sure, I can
dual-boot, but then I lose the whole of my reasons for having a real
OS. And I'd put up another machine, but I have enough anxiety over the
ones I have to maintain already. Why bring that kind of trouble into
your home?

So, the quick question is, is VM Ware the best way to go? I think XP is
still lurking on a partition here... and I do need to run Internet
Extorter, Outlook, etc... pretend I'm in their "domain"...

At any rate, I'm hoping some on the list can give me a leg up on this.

My first question is, what does this mean to me:

* app-emulation/vmware-workstation
     Available versions:  4.5.3.19414-r7 5.5.5.56455 ~6.0.1.55017!f
~6.0.2.59824!f

... when I downloaded the evaluation license and a tar.gz, does that
satisfy the "!f", for example? What do I do with it, then? I do notice
the version number matches.

And the other question I hate to ask -- I'm pretty sure there is one,
but, if there is a Gentoo HOW-TO on this process, where is it and IS IT
UP TO DATE??? ;-)

Any and all pointers welcome!

. . .

I just read through a bunch of stuff on-line, found the vmware overlay,
and I feel less sure of how to proceed than before writing this. '-)

Cheers,

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Ricardo Saffi Marques]

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We've been using VMware Server and VMware Server Console at our lab.
Everything works really good. The point is that you can't use a real
phisical partition of any of your disks. You have to create a virtual disk
for the guest system.
It works beautifully with a virtualization-compatible processor. We've been
using VMware Server at a Core 2 Quad and things are going so great that
right now there are 17 VMs running on it. Almost natively (performance).

Regards,

Saffi

On 1/29/08, Michael Higgins <linux@evolone.org> wrote:
>
> Hello, folks --
>
> Most days, I work remotely from the 'ndoze net via rdesktop when I have
> to access it for some reason. But the bandwidth there is getting choked
> as others follow suit.
>
> I'm thinking I'd have a better time of it if I just had my own little
> toybox -- I mean, Windows XP installation -- at home. Sure, I can
> dual-boot, but then I lose the whole of my reasons for having a real
> OS. And I'd put up another machine, but I have enough anxiety over the
> ones I have to maintain already. Why bring that kind of trouble into
> your home?
>
> So, the quick question is, is VM Ware the best way to go? I think XP is
> still lurking on a partition here... and I do need to run Internet
> Extorter, Outlook, etc... pretend I'm in their "domain"...
>
> At any rate, I'm hoping some on the list can give me a leg up on this.
>
> My first question is, what does this mean to me:
>
> * app-emulation/vmware-workstation
>      Available versions:  4.5.3.19414-r7 5.5.5.56455 ~6.0.1.55017!f
> ~6.0.2.59824!f
>
> ... when I downloaded the evaluation license and a tar.gz, does that
> satisfy the "!f", for example? What do I do with it, then? I do notice
> the version number matches.
>
> And the other question I hate to ask -- I'm pretty sure there is one,
> but, if there is a Gentoo HOW-TO on this process, where is it and IS IT
> UP TO DATE??? ;-)
>
> Any and all pointers welcome!
>
> . . .
>
> I just read through a bunch of stuff on-line, found the vmware overlay,
> and I feel less sure of how to proceed than before writing this. '-)
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Cristian Gary]

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probe VirtualBox .

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:37:22 -0200, Ricardo Saffi Marques wrote:

> We've been using VMware Server and VMware Server Console at our lab.
> Everything works really good. The point is that you can't use a real
> phisical partition of any of your disks. You have to create a virtual
> disk for the guest system.


That's not the case with VMware Workstation.


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:20:38 -0800, Michael Higgins wrote:

> So, the quick question is, is VM Ware the best way to go? I think XP is
> still lurking on a partition here... and I do need to run Internet
> Extorter, Outlook, etc... pretend I'm in their "domain"...

VMware is a good way to go, whether it's the best is open to debate.
While you can run it from a physical partition, trying to use an existing
install may cause problems. At the very least you'll need to re-activate
is with MS because it is now running on a different computer (the virtual
one).

> * app-emulation/vmware-workstation
>      Available versions:  4.5.3.19414-r7 5.5.5.56455 ~6.0.1.55017!f
> ~6.0.2.59824!f
> 
> ... when I downloaded the evaluation license and a tar.gz, does that
> satisfy the "!f", for example? What do I do with it, then? I do notice
> the version number matches.

If you try to emerge it, you will be told which file to download and
where to put it. Put the one you have in $DISTDIR and use the -v option
with emerge. If it shows a 0KB download, you know you have the right file.


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Ricardo Saffi Marques]

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On 1/29/08, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
>
> That's not the case with VMware Workstation.


Exactly. That's exactly the point that I forgot to specify on my 1st
message, hehehee. That's basically the main difference between them.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Jerry McBride]

Michael Higgins wrote:

> Hello, folks --
> 
> Most days, I work remotely from the 'ndoze net via rdesktop when I have
> to access it for some reason. But the bandwidth there is getting choked
> as others follow suit.
> 
> I'm thinking I'd have a better time of it if I just had my own little
> toybox -- I mean, Windows XP installation -- at home. Sure, I can
> dual-boot, but then I lose the whole of my reasons for having a real
> OS. And I'd put up another machine, but I have enough anxiety over the
> ones I have to maintain already. Why bring that kind of trouble into
> your home?
> 
> So, the quick question is, is VM Ware the best way to go? I think XP is
> still lurking on a partition here... and I do need to run Internet
> Extorter, Outlook, etc... pretend I'm in their "domain"...
> 
> At any rate, I'm hoping some on the list can give me a leg up on this.
> 
> My first question is, what does this mean to me:
> 
> * app-emulation/vmware-workstation
>      Available versions:  4.5.3.19414-r7 5.5.5.56455 ~6.0.1.55017!f
> ~6.0.2.59824!f
> 
> ... when I downloaded the evaluation license and a tar.gz, does that
> satisfy the "!f", for example? What do I do with it, then? I do notice
> the version number matches.
> 
> And the other question I hate to ask -- I'm pretty sure there is one,
> but, if there is a Gentoo HOW-TO on this process, where is it and IS IT
> UP TO DATE??? ;-)
> 
> Any and all pointers welcome!
> 
> . . .
> 
> I just read through a bunch of stuff on-line, found the vmware overlay,
> and I feel less sure of how to proceed than before writing this. '-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 

Hey Mike,

I passed on vmware for my use as it is quite the overkill for my simple
needs. Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels. And
secondly, you only get to use it for 30 days... the vmware workstation
evaluation copy that is.

Over here, I decided to go the qemu/kqemu route. Although I am only able to
emerge kqemu, with qemu-softmmu failing miserably... I was able to download
a binary off the Qemu website and it runs beautifully. 

Although I don't like running windows in qemu... it's a resource hog bar none,
linux in qemu is a jewel. You can find excellent install and usage
instructions in the obvious places like the wiki, forums and the Qemu
webpage. You can also find a gem of an article about it on the LINUX
JOURNAL website. It'll give you quite a detailed howto with the windows
installation.  My first qemu experiments involved windows98se and windows xp. 
By a factor of maybe 2, windows xp was slower than molasses when compared to 
win98se. Since then I've managed a few linux images and I've been thinking 
about trying a BSD image just for the experience of it.

I don't know if vmware provides cow files, Qemu does... what this allows is
for you to setup your windows image anyway you want, then reload your qemu 
image with cow file support enabled... and any modifications made during your 
windows session is written to the cow file, not your windows image. If things 
get really, really hashed up, closeup Qemu... delete the cow file and start 
afresh... A perfect way to dump the worms, viri, malware, etc... or your 
accidentally hosed linux image...

Really, really good stuff.

Cheers.

Jerry McBride (jmcbride@mail-on.us)
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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Ricardo Saffi Marques]

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On 1/29/08, Jerry McBride <mcbrides9@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> I passed on vmware for my use as it is quite the overkill for my simple
> needs. Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels. And
> secondly, you only get to use it for 30 days... the vmware workstation
> evaluation copy that is.


Apply to VMware Workstation. VMware Server is free.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Jerry McBride]

On Tuesday 29 January 2008 04:26:01 pm Ricardo Saffi Marques wrote:
> On 1/29/08, Jerry McBride <mcbrides9@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Hey Mike,
> >
> > I passed on vmware for my use as it is quite the overkill for my simple
> > needs. Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels.
> > And secondly, you only get to use it for 30 days... the vmware
> > workstation evaluation copy that is.
>
> Apply to VMware Workstation. VMware Server is free.

That and I believe the server package requires vm support in the cpu while the 
workstation does not.

Cheers all.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:21:36 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:

> Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels.

It's working on 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 here.


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Alex Schuster]

Jerry McBride writes:

> I passed on vmware for my use as it is quite the overkill for my simple
> needs. Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels.
> And secondly, you only get to use it for 30 days... the vmware
> workstation evaluation copy that is.

Right, but you can use the vmware player for free with existing VMs. You 
can even create VMs from scratch, there are some websites which offer 
this, you fill in information about the OS, memory and such, and get a 
config file you can use with the vmware player.

[..]
> allows is for you to setup your windows image anyway you want, then
> reload your qemu image with cow file support enabled... and any
> modifications made during your windows session is written to the cow
> file, not your windows image. If things get really, really hashed up,
> closeup Qemu... delete the cow file and start afresh... A perfect way
> to dump the worms, viri, malware, etc... or your accidentally hosed
> linux image...

With VMware, you can create snapshots of your VMs, and revert to older 
ones if you like. Or you can use VMs in undoable mode, and decide whether 
you want to keep the changes made since the VM was started.


I do not know qemu yet, but I guess it may be easier to setup. You are 
right about the recent kernels, the vmware modules did not compile for me 
several times until vmware released patches. Quite annoying. But apart 
from that, vmware works quite well.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Jerry McBride]

On Tuesday 29 January 2008 05:02:58 pm Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:21:36 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:
> > Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels.
>
> It's working on 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 here.

When I was at the vmware website, browsing the "system requirements" it listed 
older versions of both linux distributions and kernel versions. Perhaps those 
were the "supported" settings and the versions outside of that are the 
unsupported fare?

I never installed vmware, just simply too big while other vmanagers are much 
smaller.

Thanks for the note though... maybe I'll have a look soon too.

Cheers.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:36:43 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:

> > It's working on 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 here.  
> 
> When I was at the vmware website, browsing the "system requirements" it
> listed older versions of both linux distributions and kernel versions.
> Perhaps those were the "supported" settings and the versions outside of
> that are the unsupported fare?


Exactly, and by the same token, you'll find Gentoo is unsupported
whatever the kernel version. VMware Workstation is a commercial product,
so the compatibility list is more do do with compatibility with their
support team than the software.


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[b.n.]

Cristian Gary ha scritto:
> probe VirtualBox .

Any more info on how does it compare to vmware or qemu?

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Michael Higgins]

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:49:30 +0000
Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:20:38 -0800, Michael Higgins wrote:
> 
> > So, the quick question is, is VM Ware the best way to go? I think
> > XP is still lurking on a partition here... and I do need to run
> > Internet Extorter, Outlook, etc... pretend I'm in their "domain"...
> 
> VMware is a good way to go, whether it's the best is open to debate.
> While you can run it from a physical partition, trying to use an
> existing install may cause problems. At the very least you'll need to
> re-activate is with MS because it is now running on a different
> computer (the virtual one).
> 
> > * app-emulation/vmware-workstation
> >      Available versions:  4.5.3.19414-r7 5.5.5.56455 ~6.0.1.55017!f
> > ~6.0.2.59824!f
> > 
> > ... when I downloaded the evaluation license and a tar.gz, does that
> > satisfy the "!f", for example? What do I do with it, then? I do
> > notice the version number matches.
> 
> If you try to emerge it, you will be told which file to download and
> where to put it. Put the one you have in $DISTDIR and use the -v
> option with emerge. If it shows a 0KB download, you know you have the
> right file.
> 
> 

So, here's how it went, more or less:
emerge -av =app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2.59824

[ nope... ]

echo app-emulation/vmware-workstation ~x86 \
app-emulation/vmware-modules ~x86 \
dev-cpp/libsexymm ~x86 \
x11-libs/libview ~x86 >> /etc/portage/package.keywords

[ so: ]

[ebuild  N    ] app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.17-r1  483 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] dev-cpp/libsexymm-0.1.9  USE="-debug -doc" 341 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] x11-libs/libview-0.6.1  USE="-debug" 274 kB 
[ebuild  N F  ] app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2.59824  213,943
kB 

Total: 4 packages (4 new), Size of downloads: 215,039 kB
Fetch Restriction: 1 package (1 unsatisfied)
[...]
  http://download3.vmware.com/software/wkst/VMware-workstation-6.0.2-59824.i386.tar.gz
           =>
`/portdir/portage/distfiles/VMware-workstation-6.0.2-59824.i386.tar.gz' ... 
 * Fetch failed for 'app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2.59824'

[ so I: ]

 mv dump/downloads/VMware-workstation-6.0.2-59824.i386.tar.gz \
 /portdir/portage/distfiles/

# emerge -av =app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2.59824

Total: 1 package (1 new), Size of downloads: 0 kB [ ... thanks, Neil! ]
Fetch Restriction: 1 package
...

* checking
vmware-any-any-update115.tar.gz ;-) ...                       [ ok ]

[ but I must first: ]
* Rebuild dev-cpp/gtkmm with USE="accessibility"

echo dev-cpp/gtkmm accessibility >> /etc/portage/package.use
emerge -av dev-cpp/gtkmm
...

Machine crashes, locks hard... I clean the CPU heatsink fan... :( 

emerge --resume

 * Messages for package app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2.59824:

 * Fallback PaX marking -m
 * VMWare allows for the potential of overwriting files as root.  Only
 * give VMWare access to trusted individuals.
 * Remember, in order to run VMware Workstation, you have to
 * be in the 'vmware' group.
 * You need to run 
 *     /opt/vmware/workstation/bin/vmware-config.pl
 * to complete the install.
 * After configuring, run vmware-workstation to launch
 * Also note that when you reboot you should run:
 *     /etc/init.d/vmware start
 * before trying to run vmware.  Or you could just add it to
 * the default runlevel:
 *     rc-update add vmware default
 * GNU info directory index is up-to-date.

Linux lbg2 2.6.23-gentoo-r6 #1 Sun Jan 27 22:25:30 PST 2008 i686 AMD
Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

passwd -a myuser vmware
Adding user myuser to group vmware

Running /opt/vmware/workstation/bin/vmware-config.pl 

[I know no surely appropriate answer to any of the questions, but: ]
 * Loading vmblock for drag and drop
support ...                          [ ok ]
 * Starting VMware
services:                                              [ ok ]
 *   Virtual machine
monitor                                              [ ok ]
 *   Bridged networking
on /dev/vmnet0                                    [ ok ]
 *   DHCP server
on /dev/vmnet1                                           [ ok ]
 *   Host-only networking
on /dev/vmnet1                                  [ ok ]
 *   DHCP server
on /dev/vmnet8                                           [ ok ]
 *   NAT service
on /dev/vmnet8                                           [ ok ]
 *   Host-only networking
on /dev/vmnet8                                  [ ok ]
 *   Virtual
ethernet                                                     [ ok ]

The configuration of VMware Workstation 6.0.2 build-59824 for Linux for
this running kernel completed successfully.

You can now run VMware Workstation by invoking the following command: 
"/opt/vmware/workstation/bin/vmware".

I installed it. It runs. Now what?

"After configuring, run vmware-workstation to launch"

# which vmware-workstation
which: no vmware-workstation in (/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)

updatedb

locate vmware-workstation |grep -v -P 'db/pkg|cache|portage'
...

Okay, so that was a ruse. Hmm. Yes, I have to log back into X to have
my new group honored. Duh.
...

which vmware
/opt/vmware/workstation/bin/vmware

Wow. Magic. And it's in my Gnome menu too.

/opt/vmware/workstation/lib/bin/vmware: symbol lookup
error: /opt/vmware/workstation/lib/lib/libvmwareui.so.0/libvmwareui.so.0:
undefined symbol: _ZThn12_N4view10FieldEntry17delete_text_vfuncEii

[google...]

I tried emerging bits of the libraries... can't figure out where this
error comes from... not much help on the web yet, but for this:

~ $ cat .xinitrc 
# Use thoughtfully the GTK+ runtime environment (lib & conf files) from
VMware 
export VMWARE_USE_SHIPPED_GTK=yes
exec gnome-session

(Have to export _before_ starting X, yes.)

Hope this helps someone else. If anyone knows about the above error,
I'd love to fix this properly.

[I] x11-libs/gtk+
     Available versions:  
        (1)     1.2.10-r12
        (2)     2.10.14 2.12.1-r2 ~2.12.5-r1

echo x11-libs/gtk+ ~x86 >> /etc/portage/package.keywords 

Recompiling that. I'll let y'all know if it matters. Meanwhile, none of
the file browser routines to access my system (say, for configuring
virtual machine storage location) work, but crash with a libgnome-vfs.0
error about undefined symbol g_get_user_special_dir. Somehow, that
makes sense, given that I'm using different libraries. Well, that's a
lot like ndoze, anyway.

Maybe I have to down/upgrade to the versions of libraries shipped with
vmware?

Meanwhile, I made an ISO image of my XP disk and got the VMWare to use
it as a boot. 

Chose bridged networking in the setup. ISO image for CD-ROM.

Installed ndoze. Set up networking with a fixed IP and DNS info as from
my ISP. Ran I-extort-ya. And it works. How 'bout that? 

None of the upgrades to the Gtk and related libraries seemed to make
any difference.

Anyway, this little annoyance on vmware startup: 
(vmware-tray:21028): Gtk-WARNING **: GModule initialization check
failed: Gtk+ version too old (micro mismatch)

And no file browser when setting up the package. Other than that, it's
working (so far) with:

export VMWARE_USE_SHIPPED_GTK=yes
exec gnome-session

... in my user's .xinitrc.

Well, there it is. Now, to install with a bigger footprint and figure
out how to register my copy of XP again.

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Re[2]: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Sergey Kobzar]

Hi Neil,

Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 9:45:45 PM, you wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:37:22 -0200, Ricardo Saffi Marques wrote:

>> We've been using VMware Server and VMware Server Console at our lab.
>> Everything works really good. The point is that you can't use a real
>> phisical partition of any of your disks. You have to create a virtual
>> disk for the guest system.


> That's not the case with VMware Workstation.

VMware Server supports raw disks too. You can mount partition from
physical disk to virtual machine easily.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Vladimir G. Ivanovic]

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on 01/29/2008 12:28 PM Ricardo Saffi Marques said the following:
> On 1/29/08, *Neil Bothwick* <neil@digimed.co.uk 
> <mailto:neil@digimed.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
>     That's not the case with VMware Workstation.
> 
> 
> Exactly. That's exactly the point that I forgot to specify on my 1st 
> message, hehehee. That's basically the main difference between them.

AFAICT, the use pattern for the two is different: The VMware 
Workstation user is expect to work primarily with the unemulated host 
OS and only secondarily with the emulated guest OS, whereas the VMware 
Server user is expected to work (exclusively?) with an emulated OS.

This means that most of the time the VMware Server user is running an 
application on an OS that itself is running on anther OS, whereas the 
VMware Workstation user is just running an application on an OS.

--- Vladimir

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Vladimir G. Ivanovic]

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on 01/29/2008 02:02 PM Neil Bothwick said the following:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:21:36 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:
> 
>> Also, vmware does not currently run on the most recent kernels.
> 
> It's working on 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 here.
> 
> 

I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have 
searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours 
experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out 
and has never worked since.

Now nothing except NAT and host-only networking works. So, until this 
bridged networking is fixed, I cannot recommend VMware Workstation to 
anyone.

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[gentoo-user] upgraded video card from geforce 6600 to geforce 8600...

[Budd, Tracy]

I recompiled nvidia-drivers, but when I tried running X, I got a blank
screen.
Couldn't get back to the console.
I suspect this is something simple, but I don't know what it is.
Any help is appreciated.
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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 30 January 2008 19:58:26 Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:

> I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have
> searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours
> experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out
> and has never worked since.

On the other hand, it's working just fine here on 2.6.23-gentoo-r3. Not much 
consolation, I suppose, but at least it does work some of the time, for 
some people.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Pintér Tibor]

works fine more me, and always worked.
workstation 5.5 has issues with it though, so upgrade to 6.0.x

t

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 January 2008 19:58:26 Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
> 
>> I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have
>> searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours
>> experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out
>> and has never worked since.
> 
> On the other hand, it's working just fine here on 2.6.23-gentoo-r3. Not much 
> consolation, I suppose, but at least it does work some of the time, for 
> some people.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Michael Sullivan]

On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 11:32 +0100, Pintér Tibor wrote:
> works fine more me, and always worked.
> workstation 5.5 has issues with it though, so upgrade to 6.0.x
> 
> t
> 
> Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Wednesday 30 January 2008 19:58:26 Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
> > 
> >> I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have
> >> searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours
> >> experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out
> >> and has never worked since.
> > 
> > On the other hand, it's working just fine here on 2.6.23-gentoo-r3. Not much 
> > consolation, I suppose, but at least it does work some of the time, for 
> > some people.
> > 

Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?  I tried to evaluate it, but
everything crashes when I try to enter the serial number.  There's an
outstanding bug at b.g.o and I filed a support request about a week ago
with VMWare, but they haven't touched it yet...

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Jerry McBride]

On Friday 01 February 2008 08:21:38 am Michael Sullivan wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 11:32 +0100, Pintér Tibor wrote:
> > works fine more me, and always worked.
> > workstation 5.5 has issues with it though, so upgrade to 6.0.x
> >
> > t
> >
> > Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 30 January 2008 19:58:26 Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
> > >> I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have
> > >> searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours
> > >> experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out
> > >> and has never worked since.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, it's working just fine here on 2.6.23-gentoo-r3. Not
> > > much consolation, I suppose, but at least it does work some of the
> > > time, for some people.
>
> Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?  I tried to evaluate it, but
> everything crashes when I try to enter the serial number.  There's an
> outstanding bug at b.g.o and I filed a support request about a week ago
> with VMWare, but they haven't touched it yet...

Hmmm... With all the fresh posts about vware, I too tried it recently and my 
results were the same as yours... clich help, enter serial number and bang... 
crash. I thought it was me... :')

Try virtualbox... similar to vmware.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Michael Sullivan]

On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 09:40 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:
> On Friday 01 February 2008 08:21:38 am Michael Sullivan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 11:32 +0100, Pintér Tibor wrote:
> > > works fine more me, and always worked.
> > > workstation 5.5 has issues with it though, so upgrade to 6.0.x
> > >
> > > t
> > >
> > > Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 30 January 2008 19:58:26 Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
> > > >> I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have
> > > >> searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours
> > > >> experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out
> > > >> and has never worked since.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, it's working just fine here on 2.6.23-gentoo-r3. Not
> > > > much consolation, I suppose, but at least it does work some of the
> > > > time, for some people.
> >
> > Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?  I tried to evaluate it, but
> > everything crashes when I try to enter the serial number.  There's an
> > outstanding bug at b.g.o and I filed a support request about a week ago
> > with VMWare, but they haven't touched it yet...
> 
> Hmmm... With all the fresh posts about vware, I too tried it recently and my 
> results were the same as yours... clich help, enter serial number and bang... 
> crash. I thought it was me... :')
> 
> Try virtualbox... similar to vmware.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> From the Desk of: Jerome D. McBride

I did try  VirtualBox, but my network games don't work (like
Civilization II - my wife running Win98 can't connect to me) and
Civilization III fails because some security module can't be found...

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Friday 01 February 2008 13:21:38 Michael Sullivan wrote:

> Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?

Of what? I'm running app-emulation/vmware-server-1.0.4.56528 with no 
problems.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Michael Sullivan]

On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 16:47 +0000, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Friday 01 February 2008 13:21:38 Michael Sullivan wrote:
> 
> > Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?
> 
> Of what? I'm running app-emulation/vmware-server-1.0.4.56528 with no 
> problems.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] upgraded video card from geforce 6600 to geforce 8600...

[Dan Farrell]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:03:16 -0500
"Budd, Tracy" <Tracy.Budd@solers.com> wrote:

People will appreciate it if you don't respond to unrelated posts.
Many mail browsers (my own included) organize by the in-reply-to header
(at least I think that's the one):
In-Reply-To: <47A0D531.3000207@comcast.net>
and have probably organized your post in the middle of a VMWare
discussion, just as mine has.  Thanks in advance! 


> I recompiled nvidia-drivers,

for one thing, I don't think you should have had to recompile the
nvidia-drivers for the update, you're moving from two nvidia cards
that are both supported by the same (most recent) version of the driver
from what I can tell on nvidia's site.  The same driver can drive both
cards.  You would want to recompile if you changed 

Secondly, you might want to try upgrading the drivers, as the 8600 is a
more recent card than the 6600 and you might need new drivers.  Just
make sure you did an emerge --sync some time recently and that
shouldn't be a problem.  

And finally, it's not really a 'recompile' (even though we _both_
called it one) because the nvidia drivers are binaries - nvidia hasn't
released open sources for them.  


> but when I tried running X, I got a blank screen.

You might need to reconfigure the Devices section of X.  In my mind,
the best way to do this is to run X -configure from ~/ and then
copy-paste the relevant section of the new file (configured for your
new 8600) to the old file (replace the 6600 device lines with those for
8600).  

> Couldn't get back to the console.

I assume Ctrl-Alt-F[1-6] didn't help you.  If not, it almost sounds
like X is locking up.  reminds me of this[1] release highlight (this
driver came out 1/21/08):

"Fixed a bug that caused the X driver to crash if the X.Org GLX
extension module was loaded intead of NVIDIA’s."
"Fixed a bug in the Linux/i2c algorithm driver implementation that
prevented core transfer types from succeeding."

Best of luck to you!  

[1] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_169.09.html
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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Friday 01 February 2008 17:03:49 Michael Sullivan wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 16:47 +0000, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Friday 01 February 2008 13:21:38 Michael Sullivan wrote:
> > > Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?
> >
> > Of what? I'm running app-emulation/vmware-server-1.0.4.56528 with no
> > problems.
> >
> > --
> > Rgds
> > Peter
>
> app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2

Maybe it'd be worth trying vmware-server instead?

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Michael Higgins]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:47:28 +0000
Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> wrote:

> On Friday 01 February 2008 13:21:38 Michael Sullivan wrote:
> 
> > Hos anyone been able to get 6.0.2 to work?
> 

Yes. I posted pretty much the whole session to the list.

app-emulation/vmware-workstation-6.0.2.59824 is what I installed.

(BTW, I started the thread. Perhaps you can find the post where I show
what I ran into in your mail storage or some online archive.)

Cheers,

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:58:26 -0800, Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:

> I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have 
> searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours 
> experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out 
> and has never worked since.

Is the host on a wired or wireless network? I found bridged wouldn't work
over wireless, so I use NAT on my laptop.


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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Drew Tomlinson]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:58:26 -0800, Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
>
>   
>> I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have 
>> searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours 
>> experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out 
>> and has never worked since.
>>     
>
> Is the host on a wired or wireless network? I found bridged wouldn't work
> over wireless, so I use NAT on my laptop.
>   

There is a unofficial hack discussed at 
http://communities.vmware.com/thread/95630?tstart=0&start=0.  It has 
worked for many but not for me.  If anyone knows any other tricks, I'd 
be happy to hear about them.  I'm using a gentoo 2.6.23-r5 kernel with 
the Broadcom 4311 driver.

Cheers,

Drew
>
>   

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Vladimir G. Ivanovic]

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on 02/05/2008 10:21 AM Neil Bothwick said the following:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:58:26 -0800, Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
> 
>> I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have 
>> searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours 
>> experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out 
>> and has never worked since.
> 
> Is the host on a wired or wireless network? I found bridged wouldn't work
> over wireless, so I use NAT on my laptop

I have both, but bridged networking (for me) works with neither. With 
eth0, I get a Limited Connectivity state in WinXP; with ath0 (D-Link 
DWL-G650 PC card) I get Disabled.

I recently tried the vanilla 2.6.23-14 vanilla sources to see if that 
made a difference, but it did not. Of course I used the same .config 
file that I am using for my gentoo-sources kernel.

If someone could send me their .config file for 
gentoo-sources-2.6.23-r6 that they use on a laptop, I'll give that it 
a try.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Vladimir G. Ivanovic]

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on 02/05/2008 10:21 AM Neil Bothwick said the following:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:58:26 -0800, Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
> 
>> I cannot get bridged netwokring to work, no matter what I try. I have 
>> searched high and low for an answer, and I have spend hours 
>> experimenting. Bridged networking broke for me when 2.6.21 came out 
>> and has never worked since.
> 
> Is the host on a wired or wireless network? I found bridged wouldn't work
> over wireless, so I use NAT on my laptop.

I don't know if this is relevant, but two things:

1. The VMware devices that are used are VMware Accelerated AMD PCNet 
Adapter #5 (for NAT on vmnet8) and VMware Accelerated AMD PCNet 
Adapter #4 (for eth0 on vmnet0). I wonder why they aren't assigned to 
adapters in the range 0-3?  I never see adapter #0 or #1, even when I 
use WinXP's Device Manager (with hidden devices visible).

2. There is a Gentoo directory called /etc/vmware/vmnet8, but no 
directory /etc/vmware0. Yes, the eth0 bridge is up:

$ ps -efww | fgrep bridge
   ==>
root 30055  1  0 09:32 ? 00:00:00               \ 
/opt/vmware/workstation/bin/vmnet-bridge -d     \ 
/var/run/vmnet-bridge-0.pid /dev/vmnet0 eth0

/dev/vmnet0 exists and has the same owner and permissions as /dev/vmnet8.

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Re: [gentoo-user] VM Ware or not?

[Vladimir G. Ivanovic]

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on 02/07/2008 11:56 AM Vladimir G. Ivanovic said the following:
> 2. There is a Gentoo directory called /etc/vmware/vmnet8, but no 
> directory /etc/vmware0. Yes, the eth0 bridge is up:
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
should be
             /etc/vmwware/vmnet0

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