[gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[Stroller]

Hi there,

Before installing on a new laptop which came with Vista pre-installed  
I took an image of the hard-drive using dd. (ie: `dd if=/dev/sda of=/ 
mnt/sdb1/disk.img`, where /mnt/sdb1 was a portable USB hard-drive).

Obviously the intention was that if I b0rked things up I could just  
`dd` the image back onto the laptop and all would work as the  
manufacturer shipped it, but I'd now find it useful to be able to  
take a look inside the image and examine a few files. Is there any  
way to do this, please?

I'm fairly confident that there were originally a couple of  
partitions on the drive, and the one I want to look at will be NTFS,  
of course. I know that a CD iso I can mount using `mount file.iso / 
mnt/cdrom -t iso9660 -o loop`, but is there an equivalent for whole  
partition tables?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions or advices,

Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla]

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> I'm fairly confident that there were originally a couple of partitions on 
> the drive, and the one I want to look at will be NTFS, of course. I know 
> that a CD iso I can mount using `mount file.iso /mnt/cdrom -t iso9660 -o 
> loop`, but is there an equivalent for whole partition tables?

How about using your disk image as HD in a VM, and then inspect it from
VM, hmm... Or look out for some tools which allow you to play with hard
disk images, e.g. mtools .

HTH
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Re: [gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[Stroller]

On 18 Jan 2008, at 09:04, आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla  
wrote:
> ,--[ On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 03:19:49AM +0000, Stroller wrote:
> [...]
>
>> I'm fairly confident that there were originally a couple of  
>> partitions on
>> the drive, and the one I want to look at will be NTFS, of course.  
>> I know
>> that a CD iso I can mount using `mount file.iso /mnt/cdrom -t  
>> iso9660 -o
>> loop`, but is there an equivalent for whole partition tables?
>
> How about using your disk image as HD in a VM, and then inspect it  
> from
> VM, hmm...

Would that work? I've never used VMs - are their drive images exactly  
"blocky" as my `dd` command would produce?
(`dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/sdb1/disk.img`, where /mnt/sdb1 was a  
portable USB hard-drive).

> Or look out for some tools which allow you to play with hard
> disk images, e.g. mtools .

It looks like mtools is geared towards floppies but will handle a  
hard-drive fine. However the manual <http://mtools.linux.lu/ 
mtools.html> suggests no support for NTFS. (??)

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Re: [gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल]

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>>>>> "Stroller" == Stroller  <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> writes:

    Stroller> Would that work? I've never used VMs - are their drive images exactly
    Stroller> "blocky" as my `dd` command would produce?
    Stroller> (`dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/sdb1/disk.img`, where /mnt/sdb1 was a
    Stroller> portable USB hard-drive).

I installed FreeBSD on my box, this way, when I didn't have CD-ROM
drive on my box :) . I've used QEmu (AMD64), and it worked flawlessly :) .

    Stroller> It looks like mtools is geared towards floppies but will handle a
    Stroller> hard-drive fine. However the manual <http://mtools.linux.lu/
    mtools.html> suggests no support for NTFS. (??)

Another hack you can try is use to use '--offset' option of
'losetup'. First figure out from which byte, NTFS partition starts in
disk image, and then you create a loopback back device for that image
and the starting offset using 'losetup' and finally 'mount' the
loopback as NTFS partition :) .

Please do post your results, if you're successful :)

HTH
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[gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[Jerry McBride]

Stroller wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Before installing on a new laptop which came with Vista pre-installed
> I took an image of the hard-drive using dd. (ie: `dd if=/dev/sda of=/
> mnt/sdb1/disk.img`, where /mnt/sdb1 was a portable USB hard-drive).
> 
> Obviously the intention was that if I b0rked things up I could just
> `dd` the image back onto the laptop and all would work as the
> manufacturer shipped it, but I'd now find it useful to be able to
> take a look inside the image and examine a few files. Is there any
> way to do this, please?
> 
> I'm fairly confident that there were originally a couple of
> partitions on the drive, and the one I want to look at will be NTFS,
> of course. I know that a CD iso I can mount using `mount file.iso /
> mnt/cdrom -t iso9660 -o loop`, but is there an equivalent for whole
> partition tables?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or advices,
> 
> Stroller.
> 

Try this...

modprobe loop
modprobe ntfs

mkdir /mnt/iso

mount -t ntfs /path/to/your/iso /mnt/iso -o loop,ro

Assuming the iso is ntfs and you have loop and ntfs as modules...

Cheers.











Jerry McBride (jmcbride@mail-on.us)
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Re: [gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 18 January 2008, Jerry McBride wrote:
> Stroller wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Before installing on a new laptop which came with Vista
> > pre-installed I took an image of the hard-drive using dd. (ie: `dd
> > if=/dev/sda of=/ mnt/sdb1/disk.img`, where /mnt/sdb1 was a portable
> > USB hard-drive).
> >
> > Obviously the intention was that if I b0rked things up I could just
> > `dd` the image back onto the laptop and all would work as the
> > manufacturer shipped it, but I'd now find it useful to be able to
> > take a look inside the image and examine a few files. Is there any
> > way to do this, please?
> >
> > I'm fairly confident that there were originally a couple of
> > partitions on the drive, and the one I want to look at will be
> > NTFS, of course. I know that a CD iso I can mount using `mount
> > file.iso / mnt/cdrom -t iso9660 -o loop`, but is there an
> > equivalent for whole partition tables?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions or advices,
> >
> > Stroller.
>
> Try this...
>
> modprobe loop
> modprobe ntfs
>
> mkdir /mnt/iso
>
> mount -t ntfs /path/to/your/iso /mnt/iso -o loop,ro
>
> Assuming the iso is ntfs and you have loop and ntfs as modules...
>
> Cheers.

Won't work. He already said the .iso is a *disk* image, not a *file 
system* image.

The ntfs driver (or any sane file system driver) will not know what to 
do with a block image complete with partition tables and boot records.

alan


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Re: [gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[Jerry McBride]

On Friday 18 January 2008 01:01:18 pm Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Friday 18 January 2008, Jerry McBride wrote:
> > Stroller wrote:
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > > Before installing on a new laptop which came with Vista
> > > pre-installed I took an image of the hard-drive using dd. (ie: `dd
> > > if=/dev/sda of=/ mnt/sdb1/disk.img`, where /mnt/sdb1 was a portable
> > > USB hard-drive).
> > >
> > > Obviously the intention was that if I b0rked things up I could just
> > > `dd` the image back onto the laptop and all would work as the
> > > manufacturer shipped it, but I'd now find it useful to be able to
> > > take a look inside the image and examine a few files. Is there any
> > > way to do this, please?
> > >
> > > I'm fairly confident that there were originally a couple of
> > > partitions on the drive, and the one I want to look at will be
> > > NTFS, of course. I know that a CD iso I can mount using `mount
> > > file.iso / mnt/cdrom -t iso9660 -o loop`, but is there an
> > > equivalent for whole partition tables?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions or advices,
> > >
> > > Stroller.
> >
> > Try this...
> >
> > modprobe loop
> > modprobe ntfs
> >
> > mkdir /mnt/iso
> >
> > mount -t ntfs /path/to/your/iso /mnt/iso -o loop,ro
> >
> > Assuming the iso is ntfs and you have loop and ntfs as modules...
> >
> > Cheers.
>
> Won't work. He already said the .iso is a *disk* image, not a *file
> system* image.
>
> The ntfs driver (or any sane file system driver) will not know what to
> do with a block image complete with partition tables and boot records.
>
> alan
>

I don't doubt what you wrote, but I've done exactly that many times and never 
had a problem. Is this some kind of ntfs support issue? 

Just this morning, I ran dd to make an image of a usbstick I dearly love... I 
just now mounted the image as vfat as stated above and I have complete access 
to the data on it... Is the ntfs module that different? Just curious.

Cheers.



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Re: [gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[Yahya Mohammad]

> Another hack you can try is use to use '--offset' option of
> 'losetup'. First figure out from which byte, NTFS partition starts in
> disk image, and then you create a loopback back device for that image
> and the starting offset using 'losetup' and finally 'mount' the
> loopback as NTFS partition :) .

Here's more detail on how to do that

# losetup /dev/loop0 /path/to/diskimage
# fdisk -l /dev/loop0
(example)
Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *           1        1044     8385898+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
/dev/sdb2            1045       19457   147902422+  83  Linux

suppose you want to mount the partition on sdb2, the offset for that
would be 8225280 * 1045 = 8595417600.

detach the disk image
# losetup -d /dev/loop0
and setup the loop for the partiion
# losetup -o8595417600 /dev/loop0 /path/to/diskimage
and mount it
# mount -t fstype /dev/loop0 /path/to/mountdir


> Please do post your results, if you're successful :)

I second that, I'm curious to know if it works

oh, and make a backup just in case :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 18 January 2008, Jerry McBride wrote:
> On Friday 18 January 2008 01:01:18 pm Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > Won't work. He already said the .iso is a *disk* image, not a *file
> > system* image.
> >
> > The ntfs driver (or any sane file system driver) will not know what
> > to do with a block image complete with partition tables and boot
> > records.
> >
> > alan
>
> I don't doubt what you wrote, but I've done exactly that many times
> and never had a problem. Is this some kind of ntfs support issue?
>
> Just this morning, I ran dd to make an image of a usbstick I dearly
> love... I just now mounted the image as vfat as stated above and I
> have complete access to the data on it... Is the ntfs module that
> different? Just curious.

Do you have partitions on that memory stick?

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Re: [gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[Jerry McBride]

On Friday 18 January 2008 01:54:58 pm Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Friday 18 January 2008, Jerry McBride wrote:
> > On Friday 18 January 2008 01:01:18 pm Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > Won't work. He already said the .iso is a *disk* image, not a *file
> > > system* image.
> > >
> > > The ntfs driver (or any sane file system driver) will not know what
> > > to do with a block image complete with partition tables and boot
> > > records.
> > >
> > > alan
> >
> > I don't doubt what you wrote, but I've done exactly that many times
> > and never had a problem. Is this some kind of ntfs support issue?
> >
> > Just this morning, I ran dd to make an image of a usbstick I dearly
> > love... I just now mounted the image as vfat as stated above and I
> > have complete access to the data on it... Is the ntfs module that
> > different? Just curious.
>
> Do you have partitions on that memory stick?
>

Yes.


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Re: [gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[Jerry McBride]

On Friday 18 January 2008 02:19:21 pm Jerry McBride wrote:
> On Friday 18 January 2008 01:54:58 pm Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Friday 18 January 2008, Jerry McBride wrote:
> > > On Friday 18 January 2008 01:01:18 pm Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > > Won't work. He already said the .iso is a *disk* image, not a *file
> > > > system* image.
> > > >
> > > > The ntfs driver (or any sane file system driver) will not know what
> > > > to do with a block image complete with partition tables and boot
> > > > records.
> > > >
> > > > alan
> > >
> > > I don't doubt what you wrote, but I've done exactly that many times
> > > and never had a problem. Is this some kind of ntfs support issue?
> > >
> > > Just this morning, I ran dd to make an image of a usbstick I dearly
> > > love... I just now mounted the image as vfat as stated above and I
> > > have complete access to the data on it... Is the ntfs module that
> > > different? Just curious.
> >
> > Do you have partitions on that memory stick?
>
> Yes.
>


OK... It just got through my dense head! He has "multiple partitions" in his 
disk image, not one....

What I proposed will fail in that case, but will work with "just one" 
partition in the image...

It's a shame too.

Cheers.


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Re: [gentoo-user] "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[Mick]

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On Friday 18 January 2008, Jerry McBride wrote:
> On Friday 18 January 2008 02:19:21 pm Jerry McBride wrote:
> > On Friday 18 January 2008 01:54:58 pm Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > On Friday 18 January 2008, Jerry McBride wrote:
> > > > On Friday 18 January 2008 01:01:18 pm Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > > > Won't work. He already said the .iso is a *disk* image, not a *file
> > > > > system* image.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ntfs driver (or any sane file system driver) will not know what
> > > > > to do with a block image complete with partition tables and boot
> > > > > records.
> > > > >
> > > > > alan
> > > >
> > > > I don't doubt what you wrote, but I've done exactly that many times
> > > > and never had a problem. Is this some kind of ntfs support issue?
> > > >
> > > > Just this morning, I ran dd to make an image of a usbstick I dearly
> > > > love... I just now mounted the image as vfat as stated above and I
> > > > have complete access to the data on it... Is the ntfs module that
> > > > different? Just curious.
> > >
> > > Do you have partitions on that memory stick?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> OK... It just got through my dense head! He has "multiple partitions" in
> his disk image, not one....
>
> What I proposed will fail in that case, but will work with "just one"
> partition in the image...
>
> It's a shame too.
>
> Cheers.

I have mounted through loopback USB stick images that I dd onto my hard drive, 
but had no partition table (like a floppy sort of thing).  I am thinking 
aloud here, could the OP chainload the NTFS image using Grub - 
notwithstanding that Vista is using a slightly different booting scheme than 
the WinXP NTLDR.exe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista_Startup_Process

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