From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JFPv8-0001Kz-UH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:16:19 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 50CE4E0794; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B2AE0205 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c8so123840ana.47 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:15:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=8M4heAyJ+Lwkw1tCtn/2QKLS6Qquq4MmFsYM0fPFH0s=; b=YGGtj0mmi2DNYNYFTAUc4pp3jJkdJmMqM87Q//EVpZXvY8phM1YIQ+uBIyw+7K+dFA1BcL/Uo3Lmdv96uGvF5RcZZ1YBcbtrZz/++4pFrg+iNfMzm0JF5pHcrhiUlC5G7dm18mB+ab7gcx3B/pR9Y1JTzNEuJY3ZEW9g/XHP5Hc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=BTuHWtI68OodKoSz8D1oc26CSMj5d2Aqd/HRBtx5OPJL35vlX72SCd7UnHRTg9SIUjwuUyUwGu4GNclT0xUmxaQIDVgN4D5DfL1EwW/apk1q6Q4uHtIocuZYRgnZq3XM8i2omITeotSqscfI4erS+WqGQdoFHAMTqs+UzpXAZ5o= Received: by 10.100.110.15 with SMTP id i15mr3817179anc.49.1200557743449; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.200.112? ( [196.211.71.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i8sm2624396rng.19.2008.01.17.00.15.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:15:42 -0800 (PST) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead? Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:10:01 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20080111082729.GA12107@localhost> <20080111143332.4ccf33de@grolsch.ajiaojr.net> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200801171010.01508.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: e8a51247-73bc-49fa-a66c-b0b66481c1cc X-Archives-Hash: ca49e0a414b9faaa3ea2906f3b336121 On Thursday 17 January 2008, Thufir wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:33:32 +0000, Qian Qiao wrote: > > What extra do you archieve if you install your Gentoo from a Gentoo > > LiveCD instead of a Knoppix CD? None! > > > > Stop binding you mind to the concept that "I have to install a > > Gentoo from a Gentoo CD", it's not true, start looking at a broader > > perspective. > > I don't think anyone's making that argument. What I'm asking, at > least, is why Gentoo prides itself on having one of the steepest > learning curves. Because it's a source-based distro. And that one simple fact changes EVERYTHING. Now think this through - you have a source based distro where everything is built locally. What does it take to boot strap such a system install? What do you need to provide? What tools must be available? How will they be made available? Then the killer question: What does the user need to know to be able to do this? Doesn't matter how you spin it, we don't have a binary distro and what works there probably doesn't work here. We have to use techniques that actually work here, and catering for every possible user type, a la Mandriva, is simply not going to work. If a gentoo LiveCD is such a good idea, it would have been done successfully and correctly. It was tried, it didn't work out. Now analyze why it didn't work out and be willing to accept while doing this that perhaps your own wishes are not viable. > Let's turn this around: if Gentoo were to attract a larger user base > I posit that this would attract more developers. Who says Gentoo does not already have a large user base consisting of exactly the kind of users that are ideal for Gentoo? It has not been established that this is not the case. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list