From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JEXFv-0004g7-R2 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:54:08 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 39D07E0894; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.184]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D016E0891 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i10so1543486mue.5 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:52:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=X/FnIKynAu4b3ykzl+NagrxJk7+7h24xquBnU5M88DI=; b=ayCzGV/WH6lN608csFkUWd9RQs4N1fxvsyZ83ZtURGuxf8G1YhK0SSPPq6msXk7N/lpW5cQOr0MVVnVx35JLoEBywh1LGJ0wU2F8rJmRCRcgBhasKzy5+Yceo6K4hRkJaDV1PQ4DD2+xYUcXHbJekATHDDpqfwn73A2Fs1RNvTI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=ZysEcjNSmnUYiRrHCgY1ydm8VtmYGvkzev9QQ8bjtQiu90/80gUt2T4yLGGll+qihNukjEjW86QxBwgxBnC34eFSeBfF4Ew8PYQWACqzOEzpmOC0ycMdnQ9jbnvAlbRPQqhqwsI9IyVGJvOfwR6MQh/pqTmNR2Gxd07PcgjoPnw= Received: by 10.78.170.6 with SMTP id s6mr8191832hue.62.1200347544543; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.0.3? ( [41.243.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d2sm11970697nfc.11.2008.01.14.13.52.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:52:23 -0800 (PST) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead? Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:46:57 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20080111082729.GA12107@localhost> <200801141123.53070.bo.andresen@zlin.dk> <200801141947.20761.benno.schulenberg@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200801141947.20761.benno.schulenberg@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200801142346.57751.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: bb92d42d-f72e-43c7-bcce-0f015f3d869c X-Archives-Hash: 7f955efd7b06b7eecc0d31afcd69e9c6 On Monday 14 January 2008, Benno Schulenberg wrote: > Bo =D8rsted Andresen wrote: > > Furthermore stage 1 is completely unsupported and for a very good > > reason. > > Which good reason, Bo? You seem to know it, so maybe give a link > somewhere; don't make us guess or search. The vast unending stream of completely useless bug reports and requests=20 for help from users who had a) chosen the wrong stage 1 or 2 for their arch b) set the wrong flags and compile options c) listened to ricer advice and been left with an unusable system d) bitch and moan as to why it takes 96 hours to get a bash prompt e) changed the install commands to "something better" which didn't work=20 then consumed too much support time that could have been better spent=20 elsewhere, especially since the answer usually turned out to be "don't=20 try and be clever, just trash what you already did and do it properly=20 with a stage 3" when all of this was completely avoidable if they had just chosen to=20 build from a stage 3 in the first place! A stage 1 has only one purpose in life - to build a stage 2 and to do it=20 in a safe way insulated from any host system. A stage 2 has only one purpose in life - to provide something that can=20 correctly run 'emerge -et system' which produces what you get with a=20 stage 3 install (to a degree of course). So stages 1 and 2 really belong inside catalyst, the more invisible the=20 better (as they are just bootstrap mechanisms). They are still around as catalyst still builds them, if you know where=20 to look they are freely downloadable and can be used. But now when the=20 user makes a hash of it the community can legitimately tell the user to=20 stop wasting their time with unsupported stuff. =2D-=20 Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list