From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JEOVX-0001Uq-Uh for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:33:40 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 22520E0C3B; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41ED3E00D5 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so878153ugf.49 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:32:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=wMVivwr7L7/6ffCQZVmF3xgy5fFM/QgrPL9qMSFbIbo=; b=Ec9Irr/z4pSBp1p2k9iuNfTTdSPDr8YzUfZ1s919pHTI+Hjk1XvrHJjSGqn5vh1BHKK/mguYx7ExmU553ksnLaqJGOyXp2trj/qYdwoKAv0IofauC2A8v4jjzpcANgGNI1nr5ISUGYE8xpBFoosGknwIxFL4MSpWdNpIhP2BV00= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=sGwEhNoB3Fg67me/YmsuHT/5qXlDicVwvXajUtGSI8GioiPszzCy6hA+AH+ZhtHGGa+sDMnk8PkU7+9kWuj2NgsMPy1P6CIBRVhPF7pp85Op4FM0wsiy6pFZjEIAW3Hp8mVgbcyW/MOauSrOsideoZoVDFxgSs4XShE8CxQ0bOg= Received: by 10.67.116.9 with SMTP id t9mr3663426ugm.77.1200313966257; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from lappy ( [86.140.42.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j1sm20493752ugf.74.2008.01.14.04.32.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:32:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ? Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:31:30 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <1200129071.4788842fc5816@imp.free.fr> <200801140735.40027.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <1200290650.12613.51.camel@orpheus> In-Reply-To: <1200290650.12613.51.camel@orpheus> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart35310663.QGrBba2V6S"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200801141231.42153.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: ba464a87-0a06-4417-a7fa-d12a84d1d11f X-Archives-Hash: ea7690b28f36a3019b3964ef365e1cb3 --nextPart35310663.QGrBba2V6S Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 14 January 2008, Iain Buchanan wrote: > On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 07:35 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > the situation will resolve that same way these things have always been > > resolved, by one of these or a combination: > > > > a. a strong leader emerges with a vision and takes over > > b. a strong leader emerges with a vision and forks > > c. common sense prevails and everyone comes to their senses > > d. a hidden bad egg goes away or dies and suddenly everything calms down > > e. the project dies and nothing replaces it > > I think you just foretold the end of the universe too... > > [snip] > > > But he does have a plan, and thus far seems to be the only one > > *with*a*plan*. Let's hear what he has to say and respond accordingly. I thought that he outlined his plan in his blog and involves him being give= n=20 carte blanche to choose who stays, who goes and which way the Gentoo=20 =46oundation moves ahead? I guess this is the reason that some of us have= =20 expressed concern at this coming back (under these conditions). > Baldrick had a plan, and look where that got him. But then he wasn't > exactly the visionary leader... Yes, but his was "a cunning plan my lord!" (for the non-UK readers, Baldri= ck=20 was a comedy character from a BBC series). I am not sure that a "visionary= =20 leader" is required on the case of Gentoo, in its current lifecycle stage. = =20 Visionary leadership is absolutely needed when overwhelming, fast change=20 needs take place. We're not talking of a start up here, or a significantly= =20 diverging fork, or scrapping MS Windows and starting afresh. We have a=20 maturing product which needs some (relatively small) developmental change s= o=20 that it continues to improve. What we also need (I humbly suggest) is to=20 develop strategic direction of the Gentoo product(s) within a business use= =20 case context. I believe that Gentoo has the potential to rival most=20 commercial Linux distros out there, but has failed so far to do so. In=20 addition, we have a breakdown of organisational governance because persons= =20 with the wrong skillset were appointed in Strategic and Administrative=20 positions. It seems to me that people with the correct skillset were=20 appointed in Technical positions, and the increasing stability of Gentoo ov= er=20 the last few years is an indication of this. In conclusion, what we need is leadership in Strategic and Administrative=20 activities, not by default (i.e. through the current devs and trustees), bu= t=20 through a new organisational design. Devs & the failed organisational body= =20 of the trustees (or its replacement) should of course contribute in all=20 decisions made, but their voice must not be absolute and at the exclusion o= f=20 the user base. > Anyway, from what it seems from Slashdot, DRobbins' blog, and f.g.o > there is overwhelming user support for him to return (of course there > are some users against the idea). But what about the "devs"? The > support for DR seems to be less enthusiastic as you rise further up the > gentoo hierarchy. But then if he is blocked at the critical trustee > level, then either b. will happen, or he'll just return to the > background... I am happy to contribute to the governance and organisational design of a n= ew=20 Gentoo setup and as James suggested put this forward to the users, devs,=20 trustees. What do you think? Is there mileage in this? =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart35310663.QGrBba2V6S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHi1Yu5Fp0QerLYPcRAgh0AJ4pYuw6eBKqaX0mDRNErpZpqpWXBwCgvYTx LY0fWZqud3M9ZW3k2K1J9XE= =URC5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart35310663.QGrBba2V6S-- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list