From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:51:59 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200801131651.59648.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200801131041.51803.michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Mick wrote:
> > I turn down most opportunities to be on a BOD
> > with many organizations, but, I care about Gentoo quite a lot. If
> > Gentoo is truely in crisis, why have the devs not discuss this with
> > the wider user community? This simple fact make the whole state of
> > affairs suspicious to say the least.
>
> It could just be managerial ineptitude though, combined with
> emotional immaturity of certain persons (if Alan's previous critique
> re.treating persons as machines holds true).
Odds are that this is the real explanation. Gentoo management is full of
people who are good devs but simply do not know how to run a group. To
see this, just read over minutes of meeting etc held on IRC. There's
little evidence of a meeting being chaired by someone who keeps things
on track and on agenda, and meetings usually devolve into discussions
of technical matters.
It's entirely reasonable to assume that these same people will just
ignore things outside their expertise that they don't understand and
hope the problem will go away if they ignore it.
Just as the solution to having a maintainer of a project that can't code
is to replace him with someone who can, the solution to gentoo's
current woes seems to be to appoint bodies to management who do know
how to do it and have a track record of doing it.
--
Alan McKinnon
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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2008-01-12 9:11 [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ? alain.didierjean
2008-01-12 10:31 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-12 12:08 ` Jil Larner
2008-01-12 12:55 ` Mick
2008-01-12 13:34 ` Dale
2008-01-12 17:07 ` Richard Marzan
2008-01-12 17:22 ` Renat Golubchyk
2008-01-12 17:49 ` Hal Martin
2008-01-12 18:13 ` Richard Marzan
2008-01-12 21:17 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-13 14:07 ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-13 14:23 ` Naga Toro
2008-01-13 14:33 ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-13 15:06 ` Naga Toro
2008-01-13 16:31 ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-13 17:37 ` Naga Toro
2008-01-14 5:42 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14 11:43 ` Galevsky
2008-01-14 11:19 ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-13 16:45 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-13 22:39 ` Dale
2008-01-14 6:54 ` [gentoo-user] " reader
2008-01-14 7:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14 7:41 ` Dale
2008-01-14 7:51 ` Naga
2008-01-14 8:10 ` Dale
2008-01-14 16:18 ` James
2008-01-14 11:16 ` [gentoo-user] " Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-19 15:37 ` [gentoo-user] Quo vadis Gentoo [WAS: Daniel Robbins' come back ?] Enrico Weigelt
2008-01-19 19:55 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-16 4:58 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ? »Q«
2008-01-13 14:48 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-12 20:03 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-12 21:16 ` [gentoo-user] " Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-13 9:10 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-12 17:11 ` Δημήτριος Ροπόκης
2008-01-19 12:45 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-01-20 0:40 ` [gentoo-user] " reader
2008-01-23 17:35 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-01-23 18:48 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-12 22:06 ` James
2008-01-13 0:03 ` Dale
2008-01-13 4:08 ` James
2008-01-13 7:56 ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-01-13 9:31 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14 2:52 ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-13 9:58 ` Uwe Thiem
2008-01-13 9:29 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-12 19:19 ` [gentoo-user] " fire-eyes
2008-01-13 9:37 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-13 10:05 ` Alan E. Davis
2008-01-14 8:47 ` [gentoo-user] " Thufir
2008-01-13 10:06 ` [gentoo-user] " Uwe Thiem
2008-01-13 10:18 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-13 1:12 ` [gentoo-user] " James
2008-01-13 10:41 ` Mick
2008-01-13 14:51 ` Alan McKinnon [this message]
2008-01-14 1:19 ` James
2008-01-14 5:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14 6:04 ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-14 12:31 ` Mick
2008-01-14 10:26 ` Thufir
2008-01-14 16:51 ` James
2008-01-14 18:11 ` Etaoin Shrdlu
2008-01-14 18:30 ` Jil Larner
2008-01-14 19:47 ` James
2008-01-14 20:40 ` reader
2008-01-14 21:13 ` Jil Larner
2008-01-14 21:03 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-15 5:22 ` reader
2008-01-15 5:42 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-15 7:26 ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-15 7:57 ` Mick
2008-01-14 21:51 ` Jil Larner
2008-01-15 0:31 ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-14 19:15 ` James
2008-01-14 20:43 ` [gentoo-user] Re: License issues [was:Daniel Robbins' come back ?] Etaoin Shrdlu
2008-01-14 21:33 ` James
2008-01-14 22:16 ` Etaoin Shrdlu
2008-01-15 11:39 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-14 21:16 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ? Alan McKinnon
2008-01-15 1:36 ` James
2008-01-15 11:34 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-15 11:31 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-17 6:37 ` Thufir
2008-01-19 14:55 ` [gentoo-user] Quo vadis Gentoo [WAS: Daniel Robbins' come back ?] Enrico Weigelt
2008-01-14 10:30 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ? Thufir
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