From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JE61X-0004Pe-Kd for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:49:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C897CE08CD; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.srv.sin.khk.be (sin.khk.be [193.190.63.186]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C042E08BB for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.srv.sin.khk.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CDF25C039 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:46:50 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at bambi.srv.sin.khk.be Received: from mail.srv.sin.khk.be ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cfAt1Rpmx4-C for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:46:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.srv.sin.khk.be (Postfix, from userid 2335) id 3D6C525C04D; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:46:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:46:50 +0100 From: Ken Gypen To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead? Message-ID: <20080113164650.GA8747@sin.khk.be> References: <20080111082729.GA12107@localhost> <6142e6140801110037p7d5167c5y619b318ba1bf652e@mail.gmail.com> <1200041896.10339.13.camel@localhost> <20080111091237.GB12107@localhost> <1343558.gq7T5pozvP@michael-schmarck.my-fqdn.de> <4789FECF.3020503@gmail.com> <20080113141730.039de79f@loonquawl.digimed.co.uk> <1338052.pDIsalx77d@michael-schmarck.my-fqdn.de> <20080113162915.1365cb20@loonquawl.digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080113162915.1365cb20@loonquawl.digimed.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-Archives-Salt: 1f54e65b-57b7-4bd8-92b6-f71685ee3838 X-Archives-Hash: 0c65776bf6f3a19a8e4e0139fd9eebde On 2008-01-13 16:29:15 (+0000), Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:53:48 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: > > > > You also need the handbook, a portage snapshot and a stage tarball. > > > How many live CDs provide these? > > > > None. But the portage snapshot is best fetched from the web > > anyway, as far as I'm concerned. Same with the handbook, as > > it may contain (theoritcal) up-to-the minute corrections. > > > > So, the portage snapshot and handbook don't have to on the > > Live CD. > > No, but it's a lot easier if they are when doing a networkless install. I think that's what the whole discussion here is about. Should Gentoo become an elite meta-distro or do we actually want 'less then ultimate geek' people using it. A lot of the very verbal people over here seem to want the former. I agree that Gentoo shouldn't become an Ubuntu like distro, but the minimal install cd is, at least for me, a requirement. If there's too much work for the current devs then they should do something about it. After the whole p.g.o mess a lot of people, including myself, offered to become a dev. But I'm still awaiting replies from 3-4 herds. The whole discussion going on over here has a much deeper cause, lack of leadership. Every dev does what seems best for him or his herd, but the bigger whole seems to be lacking a lot. And I'm affraid that untill deeper problems are solved, Gentoo will keep losing users and more important, keep losing credability. Regards, Ken -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list