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From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user]  Re: Is GWN dead?
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:53:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200801131053.20335.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47892E37.9000900@gmail.com>

On Saturday 12 January 2008, Qian Qiao wrote:
> I can understand why you guys think we are so compelled to have a
> Gentoo LiveCD, because every other OS does, and to be honest, that is
> exactly the reason that stops you guys thinking out of the box, in
> what way is being able to install Gentoo from any LiveCD/distro a bad
> thing? In everyway it should be considered one of Gentoo's strengths?

Joe,

You have hit the nail on the head. The users around here pushing the 
idea to have an install CD just do not get it, and are probably 
*not*able* to think out the box. They can comprehend is "Gentoo = 
Gentoo install CD", precisely because virtually every other OS does it 
this way. And they have been indoctrinated to think this is the only 
way it can work, or they have drunk the PR department Kool-Aid or 
suffer from Red Hat Inc.'s major disease - Not Invented Here syndrome.

I've had hundreds of people pass through my Linux sysadmin courses, and 
guess which concept they have most trouble grasping? It's not how 
initrd works, Xen, or LVM (the usual assumed suspects), it's how do you 
manage to use an Ubuntu LiveCD to fix a broken Red Hat system? Or how 
did I install Red Hat using Ubuntu as a bootstrap system (possible, but 
waaaaaay more trouble than it's worth)

Such people should probably be running Ubuntu or a binary distro as they 
don't fit the profile of gentoo's target audience. Before anyone flames 
me to oblivion for insulting them, it's not an insult. I just recognize 
that you want to buy a high performance passenger car, and gentoo sells 
an experimental plane in kit form.

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-13  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-11  8:27 [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead? Shaochun Wang
2008-01-11  8:37 ` Daniel Pielmeier
2008-01-11  8:58   ` Pongracz Istvan
2008-01-11  9:12     ` Shaochun Wang
2008-01-11  9:22       ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14  2:12         ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-14 22:33           ` Walter Dnes
2008-01-11  9:35       ` Daniel Pielmeier
2008-01-11 10:06         ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Schmarck
2008-01-11 10:24           ` [gentoo-user] Install CD (was: Is GWN dead?) Dirk Heinrichs
2008-01-11  9:38       ` [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead? Dirk Heinrichs
2008-01-11  9:50         ` Dale
2008-01-11 10:07         ` Galevsky
2008-01-11 10:19           ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-11 10:38             ` Dale
2008-01-11 13:17               ` Qian Qiao
2008-01-11 13:35                 ` Dale
2008-01-11 13:46                   ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-11 14:14                     ` Qian Qiao
2008-01-11 23:18                     ` Dale
2008-01-12  0:16                       ` [gentoo-user] HTML vs. Text messages (WAS: Is GWN dead?) Hal Martin
2008-01-12  0:25                         ` Qian Qiao
2008-01-12 10:16                         ` Mick
2008-01-12 11:33                           ` Dale
2008-01-12 11:42                             ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-12 11:59                             ` Mick
2008-01-12 13:26                               ` Dale
2008-01-12 14:38                                 ` Mick
2008-01-11 13:48                   ` [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead? Neil Bothwick
2008-01-11 14:02                   ` Etaoin Shrdlu
2008-01-17  7:34                 ` [gentoo-user] " Thufir
2008-01-17  9:09                   ` Dale
2008-01-11 10:45             ` [gentoo-user] " Galevsky
2008-01-11 13:40               ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-11 13:58                 ` Daniel da Veiga
2008-01-17  7:33                   ` [gentoo-user] " Thufir
2008-01-17  8:44                     ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-18  7:36                       ` Thufir
2008-01-11 10:21           ` [gentoo-user] " Norman Rieß
2008-01-11 10:30             ` Daniel Pielmeier
2008-01-11 10:50               ` Galevsky
2008-01-11 11:30                 ` Pongracz Istvan
2008-01-17  7:31                   ` [gentoo-user] " Thufir
2008-01-12 19:59               ` James
2008-01-12 20:04                 ` Kenneth Prugh
2008-01-12 20:20                 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-12 21:12                 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-17  7:27                   ` Thufir
2008-01-17  9:57                     ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-11 19:09             ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-11 19:19               ` Norman Rieß
2008-01-12 20:19                 ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Schmarck
2008-01-13  0:36                   ` b.n.
2008-01-13  8:39                     ` Pongracz Istvan
2008-01-13 11:30                   ` Norman Rieß
2008-01-13 15:03                     ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Schmarck
2008-01-13 15:39                       ` Norman Rieß
2008-01-11 22:14               ` [gentoo-user] " Hal Martin
2008-01-11 22:35                 ` Qian Qiao
2008-01-12  0:25                   ` Dale
2008-01-11 13:43           ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-11 10:02       ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-11 10:29         ` Galevsky
2008-01-11 19:08           ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Schmarck
2008-01-11 22:31             ` Galevsky
2008-01-11 22:52               ` Qian Qiao
2008-01-11 23:13                 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-12  2:29                   ` b.n.
2008-01-12  2:27                     ` Daniel da Veiga
2008-01-12 11:50                     ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-15 19:20                   ` Eric Martin
2008-01-15 19:48                     ` [gentoo-user] gentoo>=sabayon+genkernel Δημήτριος Ροπόκης
2008-01-15 20:48                     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead? Alan McKinnon
2008-01-15 22:12                       ` Mark Knecht
2008-01-12 20:07               ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Schmarck
2008-01-11 11:41         ` [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install CD : was " Philip Webb
2008-01-11 13:35           ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-14 10:41             ` [gentoo-user] " Thufir
2008-01-11 12:15         ` [gentoo-user] " David Relson
2008-01-11 13:25           ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-11 14:09             ` Galevsky
2008-01-11 14:33               ` Qian Qiao
2008-01-17  7:19                 ` Thufir
2008-01-17  8:10                   ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-17  9:14                     ` Dale
2008-01-18  7:41                     ` Thufir
2008-01-17 10:00                   ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-18  7:43                     ` Thufir
2008-01-18  8:25                       ` [gentoo-user] q: how to make gentoo site sync for greek users Δημήτριος Ροπόκης
2008-01-18 18:12                         ` Mick
2008-01-18 14:04                       ` [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead? Alan McKinnon
2008-01-18 18:46                         ` Thufir
2008-01-18 19:06                           ` Lowe Schmidt
2008-01-20  8:38                             ` Thufir
2008-01-11 14:53               ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Schmarck
2008-01-11 15:54                 ` Daniel da Veiga
2008-01-11 19:03                   ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Schmarck
2008-01-11 16:34               ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-11 14:38             ` YoYo Siska
2008-01-11 16:36               ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-12 19:18             ` David Relson
2008-01-12 21:16               ` Qian Qiao
2008-01-13  8:53                 ` Alan McKinnon [this message]
2008-01-13 11:47                   ` Norman Rieß
2008-01-13 12:35                     ` b.n.
2008-01-13 12:56                       ` Norman Rieß
2008-01-13 13:32                         ` Dale
2008-01-13 14:15                       ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-13 15:00                         ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Schmarck
2008-01-13 15:35                           ` Dale
2008-01-13 16:35                           ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-13 19:24                             ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Schmarck
2008-01-13 19:38                               ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-13 20:24                                 ` Qian Qiao
2008-01-14 12:24                                 ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Schmarck
2008-01-13 21:35                               ` [gentoo-user] " Galevsky
2008-01-14  0:19                                 ` b.n.
2008-01-14 10:07                                   ` Galevsky
2008-01-14 16:54                                     ` b.n.
2008-01-14 16:53                                       ` Galevsky
2008-01-17  7:43                                     ` [gentoo-user] " Thufir
2008-01-13 15:02                     ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-13 15:41                       ` Norman Rieß
2008-01-13 13:58               ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-14  5:16             ` Shaochun Wang
2008-01-14 11:24               ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-11 14:01           ` Qian Qiao
2008-01-11 16:45             ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-12 20:52         ` James
2008-01-12 21:29           ` Mark Knecht
2008-01-13  8:56           ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-13  9:08             ` Dirk Heinrichs
2008-01-13 10:14               ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-13 20:44                 ` Dirk Heinrichs
2008-01-13 11:04               ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-13 20:46                 ` Dirk Heinrichs
2008-01-13 20:55                   ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-13 19:28               ` Etaoin Shrdlu
2008-01-13 20:51                 ` Dirk Heinrichs
2008-01-14  9:48                   ` Etaoin Shrdlu
2008-01-14 10:23                     ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2008-01-14 18:47                       ` Benno Schulenberg
2008-01-14 21:46                         ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-13  9:06           ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-13 12:06           ` b.n.
2008-01-13 14:17             ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-13 14:53               ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Schmarck
2008-01-13 16:29                 ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-13 16:46                   ` Ken Gypen
2008-01-13 18:03                     ` Pongracz Istvan
2008-01-13 18:22                       ` Galevsky
2008-01-13 19:03                         ` Pongracz Istvan
2008-01-13 19:26                           ` Galevsky
2008-01-13 19:15                       ` Mark Knecht
2008-01-13 19:26                         ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-13 20:09                           ` Mark Knecht
2008-01-14  0:27                       ` b.n.
2008-01-14  7:22                         ` Pongracz Istvan
2008-01-14  9:17                         ` Neil Bothwick
2008-01-14  9:39                           ` Cocoy Dayao
2008-01-14 10:17                             ` Galevsky
2008-01-14 10:09                           ` Galevsky
2008-01-14 10:36                       ` [gentoo-user] " Thufir
2008-01-13 19:20                   ` [gentoo-user] Re: " Michael Schmarck
2008-01-13 19:24                     ` Neil Bothwick

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