From: Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:55:53 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200801121256.03451.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4788ADA8.9020107@gnoo.eu>
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On Saturday 12 January 2008, Jil Larner wrote:
> Well, it's like if I am opening my eyes. I never looked at what the
> foundation was supposed to do. For a couple of years I've been using
> gentoo, I never get any political announcement, maybe because I didn't
> look at the right place, or maybe there was no. I mean that except the
> Gentoo's Philosophy and the Gentoo's Social Contract, I didn't see
> politic, for my eyes were probably closed.
> It doesn't mean I didn't enjoyed gentoo, its power, its flexibility, its
> community. But I certainly missed something. There are so many ways to
> communicate (lists, IRC, boards, wikis, project pages, etc.) that I must
> admit I'm sometime lost.
>
> Today, I learn we're in trouble. Good. What trouble ? What's happening ?
> Why through the words of Daniel Robbins, I feel some fear ? I feel he
> foresees a dead end and offers an opportunity to change before it is too
> late. Once more, to quote Matrix, "the problem is choice". In Free
> Software, there are often choices where the community can get involved
> in and it makes our strength. The problem is, and is not, legal papers.
> Because, IMO, legal papers are the visible part of an Iceberg. Could
> someone tell me what *really* is the crisis ? If people did not do what
> they were supposed to do : what should they have done ?
>
> Thanks.
I am equally agnostic of Gentoo management politics, albeit grateful that
people volunteer their time and effort to keep it going. From the little
exposure that I have had to it all it seems to me that Alan's views ring
depressingly true. I read Daniel's blog and cannot disagree with what he
suggests - it makes common sense that users views and desires should
determine Gentoo's direction, but I have not read between the lines to see
how might his proposals lead to directions that I would not readily agree
with. See this excerpt of his below from OSNews.com in 2002:
"I very much want to find a way to turn the Gentoo Linux project into a
profitable enterprise. My main motivation in wanting to do this is so I can
stop living from paycheck to paycheck and focus my professional efforts
exclusively on Gentoo Linux development. Many of our developers would like to
do the same thing"
(I am not critising this statement of his; after all I would very much like to
find myself a sustainable way of being able to do what I like - without
having to spend the biggest part of my day in my current job.)
Giving a free hand to any single person is not safe in my humble view,
especially if that person is employed by Microsoft - I will find hard to rest
assured that there will be no conflict of interest. On the other hand it
seems that Gentoo desperately needs *mature* leadership, which can fulfill
some rather significant responsibilities. From what I read the current
Gentoo administration and management setup does not seem to be able to behave
with the professionalism required to achieve that. This makes me anxious for
the future of Gentoo.
Just my 2c's.
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Regards,
Mick
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Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-12 9:11 [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ? alain.didierjean
2008-01-12 10:31 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-12 12:08 ` Jil Larner
2008-01-12 12:55 ` Mick [this message]
2008-01-12 13:34 ` Dale
2008-01-12 17:07 ` Richard Marzan
2008-01-12 17:22 ` Renat Golubchyk
2008-01-12 17:49 ` Hal Martin
2008-01-12 18:13 ` Richard Marzan
2008-01-12 21:17 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-13 14:07 ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-13 14:23 ` Naga Toro
2008-01-13 14:33 ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-13 15:06 ` Naga Toro
2008-01-13 16:31 ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-13 17:37 ` Naga Toro
2008-01-14 5:42 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14 11:43 ` Galevsky
2008-01-14 11:19 ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-13 16:45 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-13 22:39 ` Dale
2008-01-14 6:54 ` [gentoo-user] " reader
2008-01-14 7:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14 7:41 ` Dale
2008-01-14 7:51 ` Naga
2008-01-14 8:10 ` Dale
2008-01-14 16:18 ` James
2008-01-14 11:16 ` [gentoo-user] " Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-19 15:37 ` [gentoo-user] Quo vadis Gentoo [WAS: Daniel Robbins' come back ?] Enrico Weigelt
2008-01-19 19:55 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-16 4:58 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ? »Q«
2008-01-13 14:48 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-12 20:03 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-12 21:16 ` [gentoo-user] " Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-13 9:10 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-12 17:11 ` Δημήτριος Ροπόκης
2008-01-19 12:45 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-01-20 0:40 ` [gentoo-user] " reader
2008-01-23 17:35 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-01-23 18:48 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-12 22:06 ` James
2008-01-13 0:03 ` Dale
2008-01-13 4:08 ` James
2008-01-13 7:56 ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-01-13 9:31 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14 2:52 ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-13 9:58 ` Uwe Thiem
2008-01-13 9:29 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-12 19:19 ` [gentoo-user] " fire-eyes
2008-01-13 9:37 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-13 10:05 ` Alan E. Davis
2008-01-14 8:47 ` [gentoo-user] " Thufir
2008-01-13 10:06 ` [gentoo-user] " Uwe Thiem
2008-01-13 10:18 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-13 1:12 ` [gentoo-user] " James
2008-01-13 10:41 ` Mick
2008-01-13 14:51 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14 1:19 ` James
2008-01-14 5:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14 6:04 ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-14 12:31 ` Mick
2008-01-14 10:26 ` Thufir
2008-01-14 16:51 ` James
2008-01-14 18:11 ` Etaoin Shrdlu
2008-01-14 18:30 ` Jil Larner
2008-01-14 19:47 ` James
2008-01-14 20:40 ` reader
2008-01-14 21:13 ` Jil Larner
2008-01-14 21:03 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-15 5:22 ` reader
2008-01-15 5:42 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-15 7:26 ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-15 7:57 ` Mick
2008-01-14 21:51 ` Jil Larner
2008-01-15 0:31 ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-14 19:15 ` James
2008-01-14 20:43 ` [gentoo-user] Re: License issues [was:Daniel Robbins' come back ?] Etaoin Shrdlu
2008-01-14 21:33 ` James
2008-01-14 22:16 ` Etaoin Shrdlu
2008-01-15 11:39 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-14 21:16 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ? Alan McKinnon
2008-01-15 1:36 ` James
2008-01-15 11:34 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-15 11:31 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-17 6:37 ` Thufir
2008-01-19 14:55 ` [gentoo-user] Quo vadis Gentoo [WAS: Daniel Robbins' come back ?] Enrico Weigelt
2008-01-14 10:30 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ? Thufir
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