From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JDdjo-00049p-28 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:37:16 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A111E06ED; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63663E06E7 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so1376258fga.14 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:36:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=xiNZv0N/RuP+a0GKjLMuznjlODjP/TNqCMu7QETBhzs=; b=bKQJQ0tRVav1ef8A57m+jISAKiEjfJEI1p6PZMgmsDKr4AS93XyrVPHKppgM7gXaFetS1Xgrak7absNqjD3d9DqltFoaZng4OLv2VBqiDOfwA0zyEqI6KoDEAm/sgxjFA1U1KQVo0jhE21olCZ069PMMI4+1STImL+b4Q0ydiK4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=F9AFlEODpuDfINTpeykOcVSik0uLr4m6dO8pw6wGES/ulpZYsWrJLtur6yGlxEreYb1hOWDzi4zdQPpa4+burj3jwS1GTJ8HfhycDe++bW6GJj7EvwjJUcd7HXTkepUivG+Nt1gU1bJcPVJlwlnu/U+ddmnc11nASXINOJNw5ec= Received: by 10.82.118.2 with SMTP id q2mr7112508buc.23.1200134211336; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.0.3? ( [41.243.194.127]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k5sm1784718nfh.29.2008.01.12.02.36.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:36:50 -0800 (PST) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:31:42 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <1200129071.4788842fc5816@imp.free.fr> In-Reply-To: <1200129071.4788842fc5816@imp.free.fr> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200801121231.42265.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 1992dd99-1e61-48d8-9e1f-ff4cc3ddf600 X-Archives-Hash: 5b769a788726c907b23debac72ca0eae On Saturday 12 January 2008, alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote: > Daniel Robbins offers to take back Gentoo leadership. > What about it ? Read > http://blog.funtoo.org/2008/01/here-my-offer.html I've kept very quiet about Gentoo politics for a long time, but Daniel's blog has promoted me to finally open my mouth and express my views. Daniel is in a tricky position - he is the legal President of the Foundation but also has no role in the project in real life. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Trustees as a group have ever done a single thing for Gentoo in three years. The fundamental responsibility of Trustees is to ensure that legal paperwork is properly filed, they did not even do this. Grant Goodyear is getting some things done but he's doing it as one person. Chris is in a similar position. But the Trustees, as a body with specific duties, simply does not exist in any reasonable definition of Trustees. I used to read -dev and various council mailing lists a long time ago as I wanted to keep up to date with these things as a user. I unsubscribed because I couldn't stand the constant bickering going on there. OSS projects always have their laundry out in the public eye and some conflict is always present but Gentoo management manages to take this to a whole new level - from on outsider's point of view, the bickering is done for the sake of bickering, and it does not result in decisions being made or solutions found. Ciaran Mcreesh - I am very specifically looking at you here. The council - I'm not up to date on that aspect so can't comment. When I read about current Gentoo politics I can't help but constantly think of just one word: Stampede. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list