[gentoo-user] cups problem

[gentoo-user] cups problem

[Michael W. Holdeman]

I am having trouble with cups, part of the problem seems to be I have 
no /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp

Where do I get it?

Mike
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Re: [gentoo-user] cups problem

[darren kirby]

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quoth the Michael W. Holdeman:
> I am having trouble with cups, part of the problem seems to be I have
> no /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp
>
> Where do I get it?

Did you emerge cups? It is present on my system, and epm shows me that it is 
owned by 'cups' so it should be on yours too. I have cups-1.1.23-r7 here.

There are no USE flags that look germaine...try re-emerging cups I guess...

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Re: [gentoo-user] cups problem

[Michael W. Holdeman]

On Saturday 24 June 2006 21:21, darren kirby wrote:
> quoth the Michael W. Holdeman:
> > I am having trouble with cups, part of the problem seems to be I have
> > no /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp
> >
> > Where do I get it?
>
> Did you emerge cups? It is present on my system, and epm shows me that it
> is owned by 'cups' so it should be on yours too. I have cups-1.1.23-r7
> here.
>
> There are no USE flags that look germaine...try re-emerging cups I guess...
cups-1.2.1-r2 does not seem to contain /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp?

Mike
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Re: [gentoo-user] cups problem

[darren kirby]

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quoth the Michael W. Holdeman:
> On Saturday 24 June 2006 21:21, darren kirby wrote:
> > quoth the Michael W. Holdeman:
> > > I am having trouble with cups, part of the problem seems to be I have
> > > no /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp
> > >
> > > Where do I get it?
> >
> > Did you emerge cups? It is present on my system, and epm shows me that it
> > is owned by 'cups' so it should be on yours too. I have cups-1.1.23-r7
> > here.
> >
> > There are no USE flags that look germaine...try re-emerging cups I
> > guess...
>
> cups-1.2.1-r2 does not seem to contain /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp?
>
> Mike
>

OK, so are you running an ~arch system?
If you don't need cups 1.2.* then I think the path of least resistance is to 
downgrade your cups to 1.1.*

I found this:
http://packages.gentoo.org/ebuilds/?cups-1.2.1-r2

which although cryptic seems to imply some sort of config change between 1.1 
and 1.2 that requires some symlinks. There did not appear to be any relevant 
bugs in bugzilla. 

So...I don't know...

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Re: [gentoo-user] cups problem

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Tuesday 26 September 2006 03:55, Paul Stear <gentoo@appjaws.plus.com> 
wrote about '[gentoo-user] cups problem':
> When I
> start cupsd I get the following message:-
>  /etc/init.d/cupsd start
>  * Starting cupsd ...
> cupsd: Child exited on signal 15!

:(

> Any ideas what to do next?

Did cupsd write any log messages (to somewhere in /var/log) before dying?

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[gentoo-user] cups problem

[Roger Mason]

Hello,

I'm trying to set up a printer using CUPS.  I have worked my way
through the printing guide but cannot get a test page to print from
the printers tab of the cups configuration page.  I turned up the
logging level to debug2 and am seeing this in the logs:

d [07/Dec/2007:16:00:26 -03-30] cupsdIsAuthorized: auth=AUTH_DENY...
d [07/Dec/2007:16:00:26 -03-30] cupsdReadClient: Unauthorized request for /ipp/...

One thing I noticed in the setup that is different from the guide is
that the option to listen to "Parallel Port #1" is never offered
although it should be the most appropriate option given that the
printer is on lpt1.  I have tried both the ipp and lpd devices to no
avail.

dmesg | grep -i print returns:
parport0: Printer, Hewlett-Packard HP LaserJet 5L

This is the emerge information:

[ebuild   R   ] net-print/cups-1.2.12-r2  USE="X dbus jpeg ldap pam
png ppds ssl tiff -nls -php -samba -slp"

Thanks for any help.

Roger
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Re: [gentoo-user] cups problem

[Billy Holmes]

Quoting Roger Mason <rmason@esd.mun.ca>:

> dmesg | grep -i print returns:
> parport0: Printer, Hewlett-Packard HP LaserJet 5L

see if this helps

http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2005/12/24/wheres-my-parport0/

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Re: [gentoo-user] cups problem

[Roger Mason]

Hello Billy,

Billy Holmes <billy@gonoph.net> writes:

> see if this helps
>
> http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2005/12/24/wheres-my-parport0/

Bingo!.

For the record, I built ppdev and lp as modules, modprobe'd them and
now everything works.

Thanks very much.

Roger
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Re: [gentoo-user] cups problem

[Billy Holmes]

Quoting Roger Mason <rmason@esd.mun.ca>:


>> http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2005/12/24/wheres-my-parport0/
> Bingo!.

cool. I wasn't sure if it would help, as it was a stab in the dark.  
Glad you got it working!

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Re: [gentoo-user] cups problem

[Randy Barlow]

Roger Mason wrote:
> I have tried both the ipp and lpd devices to no
> avail.

Just FYI, IPP is the Internet Printing Protocol and it is used to print
to a device on another machine, so that's why it didn't work for you here :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] cups problem

[Roger Mason]

Hello Randy,

Randy Barlow <randy@electronsweatshop.com> writes:

> Roger Mason wrote:
>> I have tried both the ipp and lpd devices to no
>> avail.
>
> Just FYI, IPP is the Internet Printing Protocol and it is used to print
> to a device on another machine, so that's why it didn't work for you here :)

Yes, I finally tumbled to that (duh!).  What confused me was that I
had set up a remote printer using IPP at some point in the past.

Cheers,
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[gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Alan E. Davis]

CUPS has been working flawlessly for quite some time, one of the feats
of newer GNU/Linux installs (to one who couldn't get an HP mainstream
inkjet working right some 10 years ago).    Simultaneously, I notices
that Apple now owns the copyright, and after a recent upgrade, stopped
working.

I have to blame myself, because running cfg-update, the changes to
/etc/cups/cupsd.conf were considerable, involving three, and not two
files to be merged.  The interface of xxdiff is not intuitive, to me:
I've blundered through it's kludgey structure for a while, but this
time I was genuinely confused.  Furthermore, I made the mistake of
taking a stab in the dark.

So I uninstalled CUPS completely, and reinstalled.  Then installed the
printer again.  It is doing the same thing: the interface at
localhost:631 says that the printer is ready to print.  Any job sent
to the queue, including test prints, are immediately "stopped".
Reprint a job, and it is immediately stopped.

Hypotheses:
   New ASUS M2N-E Motherboard (was working before upgrading CUPS)
   Configuration file issues.  (I have deleted the entire directory
/etc/cups, and the new derault file was replaced with a simplified one
scavenged of a mailing list, but with no improvement.
   Unknown factors (where to start?)

So I am turning to the mailing list for suggestions.

Any ideas?

Thank you,

Alan Davis

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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Dale]

Alan E. Davis wrote:
> CUPS has been working flawlessly for quite some time, one of the feats
> of newer GNU/Linux installs (to one who couldn't get an HP mainstream
> inkjet working right some 10 years ago).    Simultaneously, I notices
> that Apple now owns the copyright, and after a recent upgrade, stopped
> working.
>
> I have to blame myself, because running cfg-update, the changes to
> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf were considerable, involving three, and not two
> files to be merged.  The interface of xxdiff is not intuitive, to me:
> I've blundered through it's kludgey structure for a while, but this
> time I was genuinely confused.  Furthermore, I made the mistake of
> taking a stab in the dark.
>
> So I uninstalled CUPS completely, and reinstalled.  Then installed the
> printer again.  It is doing the same thing: the interface at
> localhost:631 says that the printer is ready to print.  Any job sent
> to the queue, including test prints, are immediately "stopped".
> Reprint a job, and it is immediately stopped.
>
> Hypotheses:
>    New ASUS M2N-E Motherboard (was working before upgrading CUPS)
>    Configuration file issues.  (I have deleted the entire directory
> /etc/cups, and the new derault file was replaced with a simplified one
> scavenged of a mailing list, but with no improvement.
>    Unknown factors (where to start?)
>
> So I am turning to the mailing list for suggestions.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Alan Davis
>
>   

I ran into something similar to the a while back and I had to un-merge
cups, delete the config files, then reemerge cups and reconfigure my
printer.   Keep in mind that when you unmerge something, the config
files remain in /etc unchanged.

This may not help your situation but I hope it does.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Mick]

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On Sunday 06 January 2008, Dale wrote:
> Alan E. Davis wrote:
> >
> > Any ideas?

> I ran into something similar to the a while back and I had to un-merge
> cups, delete the config files, then reemerge cups and reconfigure my
> printer.   Keep in mind that when you unmerge something, the config
> files remain in /etc unchanged.

Assuming that you have set the correct device in the GUI for your printer, 
then the most likely error is that your have not provided the correct path 
for it.  Show us what you have defined the path as in case we can help.
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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Alan E. Davis]

I have installed two or three times, deleted /etc/cups and reinstalled
the printer.  It showed up as an HPLIP device when installing, w/ CUPS
and/or the kde printer utility.   NOtably the utility OR the
localhost:631 interface did not show any option for a USB printer.
The address that ended up being used was a usb:<printername>.  When I
get gentoo booted up I'll look at it again.  For now, I have to print,
so I've installed Ubuntu on another partition.  Printing works fine
there, so that's a start.

Thank you,

Alan

On Jan 7, 2008 2:48 AM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday 06 January 2008, Dale wrote:
> > Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
>
> > I ran into something similar to the a while back and I had to un-merge
> > cups, delete the config files, then reemerge cups and reconfigure my
> > printer.   Keep in mind that when you unmerge something, the config
> > files remain in /etc unchanged.
>
> Assuming that you have set the correct device in the GUI for your printer,
> then the most likely error is that your have not provided the correct path
> for it.  Show us what you have defined the path as in case we can help.
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> Mick
>



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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Dale]

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Alan E. Davis wrote:
> I have installed two or three times, deleted /etc/cups and reinstalled
> the printer.  It showed up as an HPLIP device when installing, w/ CUPS
> and/or the kde printer utility.   NOtably the utility OR the
> localhost:631 interface did not show any option for a USB printer.
> The address that ended up being used was a usb:<printername>.  When I
> get gentoo booted up I'll look at it again.  For now, I have to print,
> so I've installed Ubuntu on another partition.  Printing works fine
> there, so that's a start.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Alan
>
> On Jan 7, 2008 2:48 AM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Sunday 06 January 2008, Dale wrote:
>>     
>>> Alan E. Davis wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>         
>>> I ran into something similar to the a while back and I had to un-merge
>>> cups, delete the config files, then reemerge cups and reconfigure my
>>> printer.   Keep in mind that when you unmerge something, the config
>>> files remain in /etc unchanged.
>>>       
>> Assuming that you have set the correct device in the GUI for your printer,
>> then the most likely error is that your have not provided the correct path
>> for it.  Show us what you have defined the path as in case we can help.
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mick
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   

They recently changed it over to hplip.  Is that installed on your system? 

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Alan E. Davis]

Yes.  Even installed as hplip, when jobs are printed, they are
immediately marked as "stopped" in the jobs interface.  There is no
indication that the printer is on line at all, except that it shows up
as Ready.

Thank you,

Alan

On Jan 7, 2008 10:24 AM, Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>  Alan E. Davis wrote:
>  I have installed two or three times, deleted /etc/cups and reinstalled
> the printer. It showed up as an HPLIP device when installing, w/ CUPS
> and/or the kde printer utility. NOtably the utility OR the
> localhost:631 interface did not show any option for a USB printer.
> The address that ended up being used was a usb:<printername>. When I
> get gentoo booted up I'll look at it again. For now, I have to print,
> so I've installed Ubuntu on another partition. Printing works fine
> there, so that's a start.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Alan
>
> On Jan 7, 2008 2:48 AM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  On Sunday 06 January 2008, Dale wrote:
>
>
>  Alan E. Davis wrote:
>
>
>  Any ideas?
>
>
>  I ran into something similar to the a while back and I had to un-merge
> cups, delete the config files, then reemerge cups and reconfigure my
> printer. Keep in mind that when you unmerge something, the config
> files remain in /etc unchanged.
>
>  Assuming that you have set the correct device in the GUI for your printer,
> then the most likely error is that your have not provided the correct path
> for it. Show us what you have defined the path as in case we can help.
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  They recently changed it over to hplip.  Is that installed on your system?
>
>  Dale
>
>  :-)  :-)
>



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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Dale]

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Alan E. Davis wrote:
> Yes.  Even installed as hplip, when jobs are printed, they are
> immediately marked as "stopped" in the jobs interface.  There is no
> indication that the printer is on line at all, except that it shows up
> as Ready.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Alan
>
> On Jan 7, 2008 10:24 AM, Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>   
>>  Alan E. Davis wrote:
>>  I have installed two or three times, deleted /etc/cups and reinstalled
>> the printer. It showed up as an HPLIP device when installing, w/ CUPS
>> and/or the kde printer utility. NOtably the utility OR the
>> localhost:631 interface did not show any option for a USB printer.
>> The address that ended up being used was a usb:<printername>. When I
>> get gentoo booted up I'll look at it again. For now, I have to print,
>> so I've installed Ubuntu on another partition. Printing works fine
>> there, so that's a start.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2008 2:48 AM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  On Sunday 06 January 2008, Dale wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Alan E. Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>  I ran into something similar to the a while back and I had to un-merge
>> cups, delete the config files, then reemerge cups and reconfigure my
>> printer. Keep in mind that when you unmerge something, the config
>> files remain in /etc unchanged.
>>
>>  Assuming that you have set the correct device in the GUI for your printer,
>> then the most likely error is that your have not provided the correct path
>> for it. Show us what you have defined the path as in case we can help.
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  They recently changed it over to hplip.  Is that installed on your system?
>>
>>  Dale
>>
>>  :-)  :-)
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   

One of the things I did when I ran into this was to remove all printers
and use hp-setup to set up the printers.  You tried that?  It should
have mentioned this when hplip was installed but sometimes we miss those
messages.  ;-)

Other than this, I may be out of ideas.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Randy Barlow]

Dale wrote:
> They recently changed it over to hplip.  Is that installed on your system?

Sorry to steal the thread a bit, but should hplip show up as an option
for the driver to your printer?  Because I still see hpijs as the
printer driver even though I have the hplip package.

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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Dale]

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Randy Barlow wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>   
>> They recently changed it over to hplip.  Is that installed on your system?
>>     
>
> Sorry to steal the thread a bit, but should hplip show up as an option
> for the driver to your printer?  Because I still see hpijs as the
> printer driver even though I have the hplip package.
>
>   

On my system hpijs was a blocker if I recall correctly.  I read
somewhere that hpijs was no longer being maintained and that hplip was
the "new thing" to use.  Not sure why tho.

Also may be worth noting that hplip used to be a service that was
started as well.  /etc/init.d/hplip start used to work.  The latest
update got rid of the service and I guess it just runs when it is needed.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Randy Barlow]

Dale wrote:
> On my system hpijs was a blocker if I recall correctly.  I read
> somewhere that hpijs was no longer being maintained and that hplip was
> the "new thing" to use.  Not sure why tho.
> 
> Also may be worth noting that hplip used to be a service that was
> started as well.  /etc/init.d/hplip start used to work.  The latest
> update got rid of the service and I guess it just runs when it is needed.

I should clarify my question a bit more.  I don't have the hpijs package
installed.  I do have hplip.  Yet when I try to select the driver for my
printer, hpijs is the only option of the two.  I know that hplip
includes hpijs, but I was looking for a driver called hplip and didn't
see it...

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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Dale]

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Randy Barlow wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>   
>> On my system hpijs was a blocker if I recall correctly.  I read
>> somewhere that hpijs was no longer being maintained and that hplip was
>> the "new thing" to use.  Not sure why tho.
>>
>> Also may be worth noting that hplip used to be a service that was
>> started as well.  /etc/init.d/hplip start used to work.  The latest
>> update got rid of the service and I guess it just runs when it is needed.
>>     
>
> I should clarify my question a bit more.  I don't have the hpijs package
> installed.  I do have hplip.  Yet when I try to select the driver for my
> printer, hpijs is the only option of the two.  I know that hplip
> includes hpijs, but I was looking for a driver called hplip and didn't
> see it...
>
>   

Did you run hp-setup?  You may want to re-emerge hplip and read the
messages there.  I may be forgetting something it said to do. 

Also, check your error logs.  Should be in /var/log.  Depends on what
logger you use as to the name of it.  Mine is messages tho.

Post back what you find out from that.  May give us a clue.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Mick]

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On Monday 07 January 2008, Dale wrote:
> Randy Barlow wrote:
> > Dale wrote:
> >> On my system hpijs was a blocker if I recall correctly.  I read
> >> somewhere that hpijs was no longer being maintained and that hplip was
> >> the "new thing" to use.  Not sure why tho.
> >>
> >> Also may be worth noting that hplip used to be a service that was
> >> started as well.  /etc/init.d/hplip start used to work.  The latest
> >> update got rid of the service and I guess it just runs when it is
> >> needed.
> >
> > I should clarify my question a bit more.  I don't have the hpijs package
> > installed.  I do have hplip.  Yet when I try to select the driver for my
> > printer, hpijs is the only option of the two.  I know that hplip
> > includes hpijs, but I was looking for a driver called hplip and didn't
> > see it...
>
> Did you run hp-setup?  You may want to re-emerge hplip and read the
> messages there.  I may be forgetting something it said to do.
>
> Also, check your error logs.  Should be in /var/log.  Depends on what
> logger you use as to the name of it.  Mine is messages tho.
>
> Post back what you find out from that.  May give us a clue.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)

What happens if under Device, you select: HP Printer (HPLIP) ?

Also, have a look at http://localhost:631/help/network.html for defining the 
path (for network printers).  However, I don't want to send you off scent here
because I have not set up a USB printer before, so I am not sure what steps 
ought to be followed (if udev rules are desired and what not).  I would have 
thought that guidance in this 
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/printing-howto.xml#usb ought to help.
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Alan E. Davis]

I think this is one of those multifactorial problems, and I'm unable
to pin down the exact cause.  I did several things that might have
conspired to make printing stop working.  I have a new motherboard,
M2N-E, from ASUS, with a dual core AMD64-X2 processor (dual core),
that has given me fits booting.  I moved to the new motherboard after
having compiled a first approximation to an SMP kernel with support
for features and hardware I know about, then at last I tried a world
update, after I'd been using gentoo for a few days.  I had been
printing all this time.

My initial investigations (ie, google) revealed  a large number of
problems with the motherboard involving APIC or ACPI.  Both, I think.
Other problems mentioned were SATA, and I saw more than one reference
to USB.  USB and SATA are now sharing an interrrupt with that gentoo
boot.

When attempting to print or set up printing with CUPS: the printer
shows up in CUPS as HPLIP.  I had another printer on USB, and while I
recall always CUPS showed me USB printers, both, as choices for found
printers, no solely USB entries were seen.  The other printer now has
burned up in what I hope was a disconnected incident, a Brother
HL1440, the fan burned out.  I can install the HP multifunction as the
HPLIP printer, and it shows as ready, but when I print, no printer
action happens, and the jobs are immediately marked as stopped.  I
suspect some USB foibles, but the flash drives work fine.  I
recompiled with usblp as a module and compiled in, and several times
recompiled, but got stuck in a place where I couldn't see a way out.

When attempting to boot to that kernel, or other gentoo kernels I have
compiled around (I do not use initrd/genkernel), almost every time
since the initial boot (that went ok), the machine locks up during
boot.  It might take three or four attempts, but the machine locks up
somewhere during the process.  After cupsd has been started, somewhere
around where syslog-ng is started, or hal, the machine locks.  The
next boot it stops ate approximately the same place, or perhaps
further along.  Finally, usually three or four boots later, it boots
and no further problems are experienced.

Partly because I needed to print, and partly to rule out hardware
issues, I booted ubuntu 7.10, and installed.  No problem has been
encountered over the past few days of using ubuntu.  I can print, and
no lockups are encountered (so far, KOW).

This is distressing.  I enjoy not having to fiddle around, not
spending so much time maintaining the system, and it's almost
lightning quick to install packages!.  Perhaps I'll use Ubuntu for a
while---but I'd sure like to solve this problem.  I just tried an
incantation (kernel parameter) that had been recommended somewhere.
(noapic nolapic acpi=off pci=noacpi), but still got the same behavior.
 Sometime soon I'll try to recompile the kernel or back down to
2.6.22.  (I'd only compiled 2.6.23 for this new motherboard).

I thank several list denizens for suggestions.  I apologize for taking
so much time in explaining this again, but I'd really appreciate any
suggestions, before I become more committed to using Ubuntu.

Alan
lngndvs@gmail.com


On Jan 8, 2008 7:56 PM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Monday 07 January 2008, Dale wrote:
> > Randy Barlow wrote:
> > > Dale wrote:
> > >> On my system hpijs was a blocker if I recall correctly.  I read
> > >> somewhere that hpijs was no longer being maintained and that hplip was
> > >> the "new thing" to use.  Not sure why tho.
> > >>
> > >> Also may be worth noting that hplip used to be a service that was
> > >> started as well.  /etc/init.d/hplip start used to work.  The latest
> > >> update got rid of the service and I guess it just runs when it is
> > >> needed.
> > >
> > > I should clarify my question a bit more.  I don't have the hpijs package
> > > installed.  I do have hplip.  Yet when I try to select the driver for my
> > > printer, hpijs is the only option of the two.  I know that hplip
> > > includes hpijs, but I was looking for a driver called hplip and didn't
> > > see it...
> >
> > Did you run hp-setup?  You may want to re-emerge hplip and read the
> > messages there.  I may be forgetting something it said to do.
> >
> > Also, check your error logs.  Should be in /var/log.  Depends on what
> > logger you use as to the name of it.  Mine is messages tho.
> >
> > Post back what you find out from that.  May give us a clue.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-)  :-)
>
> What happens if under Device, you select: HP Printer (HPLIP) ?
>
> Also, have a look at http://localhost:631/help/network.html for defining the
> path (for network printers).  However, I don't want to send you off scent here
> because I have not set up a USB printer before, so I am not sure what steps
> ought to be followed (if udev rules are desired and what not).  I would have
> thought that guidance in this
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/printing-howto.xml#usb ought to help.
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>



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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Randy Barlow]

Alan E. Davis wrote:
> When attempting to boot to that kernel, or other gentoo kernels I have
> compiled around (I do not use initrd/genkernel), almost every time
> since the initial boot (that went ok), the machine locks up during
> boot.  It might take three or four attempts, but the machine locks up
> somewhere during the process.  After cupsd has been started, somewhere
> around where syslog-ng is started, or hal, the machine locks.  The
> next boot it stops ate approximately the same place, or perhaps
> further along.  Finally, usually three or four boots later, it boots
> and no further problems are experienced.

Have you run a memory test?

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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Alan E. Davis]

No I haven't.  I'll try one soon.  This is a new 1GB DDR2 from
Kingston.  It would be interesting if it fails.  Note that w/ Ubuntu's
kernel, I have not encountered a balk at all in booting.

Alan

On Jan 9, 2008 3:51 PM, Randy Barlow <randy@electronsweatshop.com> wrote:
> Alan E. Davis wrote:
> > When attempting to boot to that kernel, or other gentoo kernels I have
> > compiled around (I do not use initrd/genkernel), almost every time
> > since the initial boot (that went ok), the machine locks up during
> > boot.  It might take three or four attempts, but the machine locks up
> > somewhere during the process.  After cupsd has been started, somewhere
> > around where syslog-ng is started, or hal, the machine locks.  The
> > next boot it stops ate approximately the same place, or perhaps
> > further along.  Finally, usually three or four boots later, it boots
> > and no further problems are experienced.
>
> Have you run a memory test?
>
>
> --
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> http://electronsweatshop.com
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>
>



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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 08 January 2008, Alan E. Davis wrote:

> Partly because I needed to print, and partly to rule out hardware
> issues, I booted ubuntu 7.10, and installed.  No problem has been
> encountered over the past few days of using ubuntu.  I can print, and
> no lockups are encountered (so far, KOW).

Clearly your Gentoo installation has some configuration issues, inc. your 
compiled kernels.  The initialisation scripts and misconfiguration of 
services at boot/default runlevels could be another problem causing it to 
choke.

> This is distressing.  I enjoy not having to fiddle around, not
> spending so much time maintaining the system, and it's almost
> lightning quick to install packages!.  Perhaps I'll use Ubuntu for a
> while---but I'd sure like to solve this problem.  I just tried an
> incantation (kernel parameter) that had been recommended somewhere.
> (noapic nolapic acpi=off pci=noacpi), but still got the same behavior.
>  Sometime soon I'll try to recompile the kernel or back down to
> 2.6.22.  (I'd only compiled 2.6.23 for this new motherboard).

I suggest that you zcat your Ubuntu's .config file into your 
Gentoo's /usr/src/linux and then run make oldconfig.  That should give you 
the same kernel configuration which you can thereafter peruse at leisure.  At 
the same time I would copy over the CUPS configuration file from Ubuntu to 
Gentoo (but don't try that until you have proven that your new Gentoo kernel 
is still having problems printing).  You can even diff the two files to see 
if there are any significant differences in settings.

HTH.
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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Alan E. Davis]

Thank you for the suggestions.  I wonder out loud whether the Ubuntu
kernel is using something like a genkernel install, with everything as
modules.  If so, in that case, how would one get a snapshot of what is
being utilized?

Alan

On Jan 9, 2008 11:00 PM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 January 2008, Alan E. Davis wrote:
>
> > Partly because I needed to print, and partly to rule out hardware
> > issues, I booted ubuntu 7.10, and installed.  No problem has been
> > encountered over the past few days of using ubuntu.  I can print, and
> > no lockups are encountered (so far, KOW).
>
> Clearly your Gentoo installation has some configuration issues, inc. your
> compiled kernels.  The initialisation scripts and misconfiguration of
> services at boot/default runlevels could be another problem causing it to
> choke.
>
> > This is distressing.  I enjoy not having to fiddle around, not
> > spending so much time maintaining the system, and it's almost
> > lightning quick to install packages!.  Perhaps I'll use Ubuntu for a
> > while---but I'd sure like to solve this problem.  I just tried an
> > incantation (kernel parameter) that had been recommended somewhere.
> > (noapic nolapic acpi=off pci=noacpi), but still got the same behavior.
> >  Sometime soon I'll try to recompile the kernel or back down to
> > 2.6.22.  (I'd only compiled 2.6.23 for this new motherboard).
>
> I suggest that you zcat your Ubuntu's .config file into your
> Gentoo's /usr/src/linux and then run make oldconfig.  That should give you
> the same kernel configuration which you can thereafter peruse at leisure.  At
> the same time I would copy over the CUPS configuration file from Ubuntu to
> Gentoo (but don't try that until you have proven that your new Gentoo kernel
> is still having problems printing).  You can even diff the two files to see
> if there are any significant differences in settings.
>
> HTH.
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>



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Re: [gentoo-user] CUPS problem

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 09 January 2008, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> Thank you for the suggestions.  I wonder out loud whether the Ubuntu
> kernel is using something like a genkernel install, with everything
> as modules.  If so, in that case, how would one get a snapshot of
> what is being utilized?


Like most binary distros, on Ubuntu just about everything that can be a 
module, is a module.

You can see how it's built by reading the config in /boot, or (maybe)
via /proc/config (if enabled) - it might be zipped as well.

To see the modules in use at any given time, lsmod. This gives you the 
names of modules loaded. It's up to you to match that with actual 
kernel config options (sometimes it's not obvious)

alan

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