[gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[maxim wexler]

Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda into
hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the two
IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the  BIOS
to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and
fstab, of course.

mw


       
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Dienstag, 25. September 2007, maxim wexler wrote:
> Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda into
> hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the two
> IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the  BIOS
> to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and
> fstab, of course.
>

have the drives switched places too? with udma133 the place of the drive on 
the cable becomes important again.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[Dan Farrell]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
maxim wexler <blissfix@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda into
> hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the two
> IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the  BIOS
> to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and
> fstab, of course.
> 

changing the jumpers on the two drives?  You generally don't have to
change drive jumpers to switch priority in the BIOS (or physically),
although it might be necessary in certain circumstances I guess.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[maxim wexler]

--- Dan Farrell <dan@spore.ath.cx> wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
> maxim wexler <blissfix@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda
> into
> > hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the
> two
> > IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the 
> BIOS
> > to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and
> > fstab, of course.
> > 
> 
> changing the jumpers on the two drives?  You
> generally don't have to
> change drive jumpers to switch priority in the BIOS
> (or physically),
> although it might be necessary in certain
> circumstances I guess.  

The first drive is for Micro$haft, which I still need
for certain tasks.

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> 
> 



       
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[Dan Farrell]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:20:10 -0700 (PDT)
maxim wexler <blissfix@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> --- Dan Farrell <dan@spore.ath.cx> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
> > maxim wexler <blissfix@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Forgot to add: this all started when I made hda
> > into
> > > hdb and vice versa by changing the jumpers on the
> > two
> > > IDE drives in this particular PC and telling the 
> > BIOS
> > > to boot from the 2nd drive. And updating grub and
> > > fstab, of course.
> > > 
> > 
> > changing the jumpers on the two drives?  You
> > generally don't have to
> > change drive jumpers to switch priority in the BIOS
> > (or physically),
> > although it might be necessary in certain
> > circumstances I guess.  
> 
> The first drive is for Micro$haft, which I still need
> for certain tasks.


If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what does the jumper do?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[maxim wexler]

> If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what
> does the jumper do?

Determines if the drive is master or slave in the
BIOS. 

But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm
astonished that someone doesn't know that. 

If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to
know what the jumper is for.


       
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[Albert Hopkins]

On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote:
> Determines if the drive is master or slave in the
> BIOS. 
> 
> But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm
> astonished that someone doesn't know that. 
> 
> If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to
> know what the jumper is for.

Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with "cable-select"
enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive
(which are prone to error).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[Dan Farrell]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:38:44 -0500
Albert Hopkins <marduk@letterboxes.org> wrote:

> 
> Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with "cable-select"
> enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard
> drive (which are prone to error).
> 

Some bioses also support swapping device priority in the bios's
software. 

I seem to have forgotten entirely about the master/slave thing... it's
been a while since I put two drives on one cable.  :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[W.Kenworthy]

On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:38 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote:
> > Determines if the drive is master or slave in the
> > BIOS. 
> > 
...
> 
> Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with "cable-select"
> enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive
> (which are prone to error).
> 

Maybe my memory is getting out of date (old age!) - but I thought you
were supposed to avoid csel as it often didnt work correctly in a
multidrive situation?  So I have always manually set master/slave by
jumper (almost all my systems are multi drive

BillK

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[Dale]

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W.Kenworthy wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:38 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote:
>>     
>>> Determines if the drive is master or slave in the
>>> BIOS. 
>>>
>>>       
> ...
>   
>> Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with "cable-select"
>> enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive
>> (which are prone to error).
>>
>>     
>
> Maybe my memory is getting out of date (old age!) - but I thought you
> were supposed to avoid csel as it often didnt work correctly in a
> multidrive situation?  So I have always manually set master/slave by
> jumper (almost all my systems are multi drive
>
> BillK
>
>   

Same here on mine.  My cables are straight through and I use the jumper
to select which is master/slave.  My BIOS is always set to boot hd0 or
something like that.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[Iain Buchanan]

On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 08:47 +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 17:38 -0500, Albert Hopkins wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 15:06 -0700, maxim wexler wrote:
> > > Determines if the drive is master or slave in the
> > > BIOS. 
> > > 
> ...
> > 
> > Most modern IDE hard drives/motherboards come with "cable-select"
> > enabled. These days you rarely need to deal with jumpers on a hard drive
> > (which are prone to error).
> > 
> 
> Maybe my memory is getting out of date (old age!) - but I thought you
> were supposed to avoid csel as it often didnt work correctly in a
> multidrive situation?  So I have always manually set master/slave by
> jumper (almost all my systems are multi drive

I have never had cable select work for me - I find it is highly
dependant on the specific IDE cable, drive, and bios combination.  I
_always_ use master / slave jumpers, and don't even bother with cable
select.  Even if I have only one drive, cable select has still failed
for me, resulting in no drives being detected.

but maybe that's just me...!
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[Dan Farrell]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:03:27 +0930
Iain Buchanan <iaindb@netspace.net.au> wrote:

> I have never had cable select work for me - I find it is highly
> dependant on the specific IDE cable, drive, and bios combination.  I
> _always_ use master / slave jumpers, and don't even bother with cable
> select.  Even if I have only one drive, cable select has still failed
> for me, resulting in no drives being detected.
> 
> but maybe that's just me...!

Actually I do that too, but as little as possible.  I just put grub on
the master drive and then, if i'm worried about isolating windows and
linux, i can install windows normally on a seperate drive with the
linux drive disabled or unplugged.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[Hans-Werner Hilse]

Hi,

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:06:00 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler
<blissfix@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what
> > does the jumper do?
> 
> Determines if the drive is master or slave in the
> BIOS. 
> 
> But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm
> astonished that someone doesn't know that. 
> 
> If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to
> know what the jumper is for.

There are often much more jumper settings on HDs. Many HDs e.g. have
different geometry settings they can work with. Some of them need this
geometry information to be set by a jumper setting. Others have special
monitoring capabilities that are being used for factory checks or even
interfacing the controller. It's not just Master/Slave...

In fact, if you change the geometry setting on the HD, this might cause
major trouble and look a bit like disk errors, I guess.

-hwh
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is this drive toast--addendum

[Florian Philipp]

Hans-Werner Hilse schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:06:00 -0700 (PDT) maxim wexler
> <blissfix@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>>> If you wouldn't mind satisfying my curiosity, what
>>> does the jumper do?
>> Determines if the drive is master or slave in the
>> BIOS. 
>>
>> But perhaps you're thinking of something else. I'm
>> astonished that someone doesn't know that. 
>>
>> If you ever put a IDE drive in a PC you would have to
>> know what the jumper is for.
> 
> There are often much more jumper settings on HDs. Many HDs e.g. have
> different geometry settings they can work with. Some of them need this
> geometry information to be set by a jumper setting. Others have special
> monitoring capabilities that are being used for factory checks or even
> interfacing the controller. It's not just Master/Slave...
> 
> In fact, if you change the geometry setting on the HD, this might cause
> major trouble and look a bit like disk errors, I guess.
> 
> -hwh

Or they restrict themselves to a lower capacity in order to work with
an old bios. Mine do, for example.
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