Re: [gentoo-user] post handbook install guide?

Re: [gentoo-user] post handbook install guide?

[Samir Faci]

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if you've just completed a proper install from the handbook (presuming a
bootable system, with bootloader, cron/syslog, etc). you really don't need
to do a system.

kde-meta (iirc should pull xorg as a dependency, so all you'd need is
kde-meta and the world update, but you'd still need to add whatever software
your user would use).  Like, firefox would be nice for one.

Gentoo is very minimalistic, presume nothing is installed until you do.



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On 7/26/07, James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Having just complete a handbook install, I'm looking
> around for the guides to install a typical workstation.
>
> Is it just
>
> emerge system
> emerge -N world (if/when USE flags change)
> emerge xorg-x11
> emerge kde-meta
>
>
> Anything I missed (other than the listed packages in
> /var/lib/portage/world   from a system resembling
> where this laptop should end up?
>
>
> suggestions?
>
>
> James
>
>
>
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>

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Re: [gentoo-user] post handbook install guide?

[Eric Martin]

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also, if/when you change useflags, and --newuse so it picks stuff up.
Personally, I just

emerge -uDav --newuse world

to upgrade my system (upgrade, deep, ask, verbose, newuse).

On 7/26/07, Samir Faci <samir.list@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> if you've just completed a proper install from the handbook (presuming a
> bootable system, with bootloader, cron/syslog, etc). you really don't need
> to do a system.
>
> kde-meta (iirc should pull xorg as a dependency, so all you'd need is
> kde-meta and the world update, but you'd still need to add whatever software
> your user would use).  Like, firefox would be nice for one.
>
> Gentoo is very minimalistic, presume nothing is installed until you do.
>
>
>
> --
> Samir
>
> On 7/26/07, James < wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Having just complete a handbook install, I'm looking
> > around for the guides to install a typical workstation.
> >
> > Is it just
> >
> > emerge system
> > emerge -N world (if/when USE flags change)
> > emerge xorg-x11
> > emerge kde-meta
> >
> >
> > Anything I missed (other than the listed packages in
> > /var/lib/portage/world   from a system resembling
> > where this laptop should end up?
> >
> >
> > suggestions?
> >
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] post handbook install guide?

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 7/26/07, James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Having just complete a handbook install, I'm looking
> around for the guides to install a typical workstation.
>
> Is it just
>
> emerge system
> emerge -N world (if/when USE flags change)
> emerge xorg-x11
> emerge kde-meta
>

No need to emerge system, what is the point of that?
emerge -uDN world will update and check for new/changed use flags... I
do it once in a while (usually weekly).

To install X, KDE, etc, you better go to:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml?catid=desktop

Where you'll find guides for almost all Desktop related resources you
may need, along with complete instructions on setting up and have X,
KDE, Alsa up and running.

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Re: [gentoo-user] post handbook install guide?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:17:54 +0000 (UTC), James wrote:

> emerge system

No need, you've just installed system.

> emerge -N world (if/when USE flags change)

Yes.

> emerge xorg-x11

That's a meta-package, you only need to install xorg-server. This
is not pulled in by KDE because a local X server is not a requirement to
run KDE, although KDE does depend on several X11 libraries.

> emerge kde-meta

Yes, assuming you want to include all of KDE, including the kitchensync,
otherwise emerge the individual packages you need.


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[gentoo-user] Re: post handbook install guide?

[James]

Samir Faci <samir.list <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 
> 
> if you've just completed a proper install from the handbook (presuming a
bootable system, with bootloader, cron/syslog, etc). you really don't need to do
a system.kde-meta (iirc should pull xorg as a dependency, so all you'd need is
kde-meta and the world update, but you'd still need to add whatever software
your user would use).  


Got it.

One more question. I remember some time ago somebody had a slick
script or method to compile the apps listed in the world file,
from an existing system to the new system,
all together at once, rather that typing in all of those app
names into one giant emerge command.

I cannot seem to find that thread, via gmane.

Anyone remember that discussion and the resulting conclusion
(which I thought I save but cannot find in my files either) ?

or maybe the best method is:
emerge <list of apps named in another systems world file>

or just scp over a copy of the world file and issue:

emerge -uvDN world
revdep-rebuild    <until no errors?>

???

recommndations on automating this final-step, on a new
installation, are most welcome.

James



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[gentoo-user] Re: post handbook install guide?

[James]

Neil Bothwick <neil <at> digimed.co.uk> writes:


> > emerge xorg-x11

> That's a meta-package, you only need to install xorg-server. This
> is not pulled in by KDE because a local X server is not a requirement to
> run KDE, although KDE does depend on several X11 libraries.


Hmm, nice to know.

Where do I read about what all is in xorg-x11 versus xorg-server(which is
all that kde-meta needs?)?  What exactly does kde-meta needs and such....
Just an overview would be good for me to know.




James

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: post handbook install guide?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:53:23 +0000 (UTC), James wrote:

> One more question. I remember some time ago somebody had a slick
> script or method to compile the apps listed in the world file,
> from an existing system to the new system,
> all together at once, rather that typing in all of those app
> names into one giant emerge command.

emerge -av $(cat /path/to/oldworld)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: post handbook install guide?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:01:15 +0000 (UTC), James wrote:

> Where do I read about what all is in xorg-x11 versus xorg-server(which
> is all that kde-meta needs?)?  What exactly does kde-meta needs and
> such....

emerge kde-meta -pv should show you all that KDE needs.


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[gentoo-user] Re: post handbook install guide?

[James]

Neil Bothwick <neil <at> digimed.co.uk> writes:


> > Where do I read about what all is in xorg-x11 versus xorg-server(which
> > is all that kde-meta needs?)?  What exactly does kde-meta needs and
> > such....

> emerge kde-meta -pv should show you all that KDE needs.


Yep, that is what I thought to but it fails. When I issue
'emerge -vN kde-meta'

I get a long list (as expected) follow by many of these error
messages:


!!! Error: circular dependencies:

('ebuild', '/', 'media-gfx/graphviz-2.12', 'merge') depends on
   ('ebuild', '/', 'dev-lang/swig-1.3.31', 'merge') (hard)
('ebuild', '/', 'gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.16.1', 'merge') (hard)
('ebuild', '/', 'sys-apps/dbus-1.0.2-r2', 'merge') depends on
   ('ebuild', '/', 'app-doc/doxygen-1.5.2', 'merge') (hard)
...
<snip>

But 'emerge -vN xorg-server' is working. After that I see
if kde-meta will work.....

thanks for the help,

James



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[gentoo-user] Re: post handbook install guide?

[James]

Neil Bothwick <neil <at> digimed.co.uk> writes:


> emerge -av $(cat /path/to/oldworld)


I'll give it a whirl, when/after I get kde-meta happy.
I did change flags so that might be the cause of the
circular dependencies.

thanks Neil, it been since 2005 since I had to perform
a handbook install....

liveCD 2006 worked just fine, maybe I'll give 2007.0's
live CD a whirl, again, as I have 2 more laptops and several
servers to install. Gentoo is very popular where I work.
If we could only get the semiconductor manufactures
and the companies that develop software development tools
for firmware development to embrace linux, at a faster pace,
life would be sweet.

Thanks!

James






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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: post handbook install guide?

[Neil Bothwick]

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Hello James,

> Yep, that is what I thought to but it fails. When I issue
> 'emerge -vN kde-meta'
> 
> I get a long list (as expected) follow by many of these error
> messages:
> 
> 
> !!! Error: circular dependencies:

That's usually because you've changed your USE flags substantially from
the default for the stage 3 install. Do an "emerge -uavDN world" to sort
things out. You don't need -N when emerging a package for the first time,
there are no existing USE flags to change.


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[gentoo-user] Re: post handbook install guide?

[James]

Neil Bothwick <neil <at> digimed.co.uk> writes:


> > !!! Error: circular dependencies:
> 
> That's usually because you've changed your USE flags 

yep,

compiling the individual packages without the 
USE flags in a oneshot, got me around these
circular dependencies.


thx,

James



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