From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IB8qS-0000Bv-19 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:41:32 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6ICeLBk029240; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:40:21 GMT Received: from cranium.sybase.co.za (sqlprd.sybase.co.za [192.96.139.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6ICXsNw022108 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:33:55 GMT Received: from localhost (cranium.sybase.co.za [127.0.0.1]) by cranium.sybase.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819E483446 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:45:56 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sybase.co.za Received: from cranium.sybase.co.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cranium.sybase.co.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wRd0tWbqb6Ci for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:45:50 +0200 (SAST) Received: from bard.sybase.co.za (bard.sybase.co.za [192.168.2.6]) by cranium.sybase.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213F78343D for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:45:50 +0200 (SAST) Received: from nazgul.sybase.co.za ([192.168.2.68]) by bard.sybase.co.za with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:35:45 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:38:35 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <14178ED3A898524FB036966D696494FB138F1E@messenger.cv63.navy.mil> <200707171227.23899.bss03@volumehost.net> In-Reply-To: <200707171227.23899.bss03@volumehost.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707181438.35366.alan@linuxholdings.co.za> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2007 12:35:45.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[296D77E0:01C7C938] X-Archives-Salt: b4e202be-c039-4cd9-9803-33ef9b54cbde X-Archives-Hash: f6e7c9d95d9b8dfa0838d6a9993c0ce5 On Tuesday 17 July 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > The TiVo thing was completely within the word and spirit of the > > GPL. > > It was *barely* within the word, and definitely not within the spirit > of the GPL. =A0Don't beleive me? =A0Ask anyone at the FSF or RMS himself. > =A0They wrote the thing. TiVo did just that and got the A-OK signal and thumbs up from the FSF's=20 lawyers. Sometime later, someone had a hissy fit, FSF reversed their=20 stated position and suddenly Tivo becomes spawn of satan. Tivo had no option, their content providers would never have given them=20 a license to redistribute content without the mods they did, and the=20 shareholders would never have approved of Tivo trying to go against the=20 content provider's conditions. So, they obeyed the rules and as a=20 measure of thanks RMS rubs elephant shit all over their faces. It's not the software that is crippled, it's the hardware. I'm not a=20 USian and don't own a Tivo but I imagine it's similar to tv decoder we=20 have here locally - heavily subsidised. It's built to do one thing=20 well - record and display TV shows. If you don't like the business=20 model Tivo came up with, then don't use the Tivo service. After all=20 it's a TV decoder, not a kidney dyalysis machine.... According to Alan Cox, the thing has a bog-standard IDe drive in it. If=20 you remove it, stick it in a bog-standard pc and power up, it boots=20 just fine. So, in what way have Tivo removed people's freedom as=20 granted by the GPL? alan =2D-=20 Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list