[gentoo-user] Gentoo in the workplace

[gentoo-user] Gentoo in the workplace

[Sartorelli, Jason]

Hi there, 
This is possibly already answered elsewhere, however I've trolled through google to no avail.
I've upgraded my work machine from a Windows 2000 machine to Gentoo (running on a Dell GX520) with VMware running XP, Vista, 2000.

Most things run fine, but unfortunately I've had a few problems with things such as Active X pages (i.e. Cisco Call Manager, Infra, etc).

I've tried using wine (version 0.9.29) and installing IE however I couldn't find the full installer and we use a proxy here (the installer craps out when trying to set it up within the installer)
So I installed ieslinux and tried that - it seems to work and lets me load some pages however they don't all load correctly... infect the majority don't...
So I unmasked wine with the x86 keyword and tried both options again with the same results for the first option and ieslinux getting to the same place and stopping (but with text visibility bugs) and so I've now reverted back to wine 0.9.29 and am officially stuck.
Firefox doesn't seem to support Active X at all, however there was a plugin for v1.5 which I tried and didn't have any luck with.

I've heard you can copy across a entire system32 folder and get wine working better, is this true?
I'm a member of transgaming (Cedega) is this worth trying? (Internet Explorer wasn't listen in their database)

There are other bugs and issues I'm trying to nut out (like a virtual OS X install, i support Macs unfortunately as part of my role), but at the moment getting ActiveX going is the most critical (as I'm using my old machine or virtuals to do allot of my work)

Any thoughts/comments/miracles/donuts or donations would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,

Jason Sartorelli

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo in the workplace

[Ken]

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Sartorelli, Jason wrote:
> Hi there, 
> This is possibly already answered elsewhere, however I've trolled through google to no avail.
> I've upgraded my work machine from a Windows 2000 machine to Gentoo (running on a Dell GX520) with VMware running XP, Vista, 2000.
> 
> Most things run fine, but unfortunately I've had a few problems with things such as Active X pages (i.e. Cisco Call Manager, Infra, etc).
> 
> I've tried using wine (version 0.9.29) and installing IE however I couldn't find the full installer and we use a proxy here (the installer craps out when trying to set it up within the installer)
> So I installed ieslinux and tried that - it seems to work and lets me load some pages however they don't all load correctly... infect the majority don't...
> So I unmasked wine with the x86 keyword and tried both options again with the same results for the first option and ieslinux getting to the same place and stopping (but with text visibility bugs) and so I've now reverted back to wine 0.9.29 and am officially stuck.
> Firefox doesn't seem to support Active X at all, however there was a plugin for v1.5 which I tried and didn't have any luck with.
> 
> I've heard you can copy across a entire system32 folder and get wine working better, is this true?
> I'm a member of transgaming (Cedega) is this worth trying? (Internet Explorer wasn't listen in their database)
> 
> There are other bugs and issues I'm trying to nut out (like a virtual OS X install, i support Macs unfortunately as part of my role), but at the moment getting ActiveX going is the most critical (as I'm using my old machine or virtuals to do allot of my work)
> 
> Any thoughts/comments/miracles/donuts or donations would be greatly appreciated.
> Cheers,
> 
> Jason Sartorelli
> 
IE will never work in wine. I don't believe the devs plan to support it
either.
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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo in the workplace

[Sartorelli, Jason]

Thanks Ken,
So what do other people do when they need to use ActiveX? 
Is there any work arounds etc?

Hmmm, its interesting as before now (as I use server, desktop and laptop builds) I couldn't see what was stopping businesses using Linux on their desktops but as there are about 5 internal sites (such as our Helpdesk tool, Cisco Call Manager) which are needed on a daily basis I guess the 'little' things are pretty large obstacles.
I guess hopefully in the future such tools will be obsolete as people code for Firefox and IE (without Active X)

Cheers,
Jason



-----Original Message-----
From: Ken [mailto:ken69267@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2007 3:01 p.m.
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo in the workplace


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Sartorelli, Jason wrote:
> Hi there, 
> This is possibly already answered elsewhere, however I've trolled through google to no avail.
> I've upgraded my work machine from a Windows 2000 machine to Gentoo (running on a Dell GX520) with VMware running XP, Vista, 2000.
> 
> Most things run fine, but unfortunately I've had a few problems with things such as Active X pages (i.e. Cisco Call Manager, Infra, etc).
> 
> I've tried using wine (version 0.9.29) and installing IE however I couldn't find the full installer and we use a proxy here (the installer craps out when trying to set it up within the installer)
> So I installed ieslinux and tried that - it seems to work and lets me load some pages however they don't all load correctly... infect the majority don't...
> So I unmasked wine with the x86 keyword and tried both options again with the same results for the first option and ieslinux getting to the same place and stopping (but with text visibility bugs) and so I've now reverted back to wine 0.9.29 and am officially stuck.
> Firefox doesn't seem to support Active X at all, however there was a plugin for v1.5 which I tried and didn't have any luck with.
> 
> I've heard you can copy across a entire system32 folder and get wine working better, is this true?
> I'm a member of transgaming (Cedega) is this worth trying? (Internet Explorer wasn't listen in their database)
> 
> There are other bugs and issues I'm trying to nut out (like a virtual OS X install, i support Macs unfortunately as part of my role), but at the moment getting ActiveX going is the most critical (as I'm using my old machine or virtuals to do allot of my work)
> 
> Any thoughts/comments/miracles/donuts or donations would be greatly appreciated.
> Cheers,
> 
> Jason Sartorelli
> 
IE will never work in wine. I don't believe the devs plan to support it
either.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo in the workplace

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2007, Sartorelli, Jason wrote:
> Thanks Ken,
> So what do other people do when they need to use ActiveX?
> Is there any work arounds etc?
>
> Hmmm, its interesting as before now (as I use server, desktop and laptop
> builds) I couldn't see what was stopping businesses using Linux on their
> desktops but as there are about 5 internal sites (such as our Helpdesk
> tool, Cisco Call Manager) which are needed on a daily basis I guess the
> 'little' things are pretty large obstacles. I guess hopefully in the future
> such tools will be obsolete as people code for Firefox and IE (without
> Active X)

AFAIR some versions of IE work with crossover. You might check their hp.

Also, some people just use the IE installed in their XP running on vmware ;)
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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo in the workplace

[Sartorelli, Jason]

Thanks, yeah at the moment i'm simply using it through my Virtual XP machine... i've had a quick look at crossover puts me in the same boat and I (greatly) prefer XP.
I appreciate the heads up though :)

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From: Hemmann, Volker Armin
[mailto:volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de]
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2007 4:29 p.m.
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo in the workplace


On Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2007, Sartorelli, Jason wrote:
> Thanks Ken,
> So what do other people do when they need to use ActiveX?
> Is there any work arounds etc?
>
> Hmmm, its interesting as before now (as I use server, desktop and laptop
> builds) I couldn't see what was stopping businesses using Linux on their
> desktops but as there are about 5 internal sites (such as our Helpdesk
> tool, Cisco Call Manager) which are needed on a daily basis I guess the
> 'little' things are pretty large obstacles. I guess hopefully in the future
> such tools will be obsolete as people code for Firefox and IE (without
> Active X)

AFAIR some versions of IE work with crossover. You might check their hp.

Also, some people just use the IE installed in their XP running on vmware ;)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo in the workplace

[Roman Zimmermann]

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Am Donnerstag 14 Juni 2007 06:51 schrieb Sartorelli, Jason:
> Thanks, yeah at the moment i'm simply using it through my Virtual XP
> machine... i've had a quick look at crossover puts me in the same boat and
> I (greatly) prefer XP. I appreciate the heads up though :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hemmann, Volker Armin
> [mailto:volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de]
> Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2007 4:29 p.m.
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo in the workplace
>
> On Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2007, Sartorelli, Jason wrote:
> > Thanks Ken,
> > So what do other people do when they need to use ActiveX?
> > Is there any work arounds etc?

Some time ago we simply set up XP on an older box and used Remote Desktop 
whenever we needed something windows specific.
Since such tasks were rather the exception one box (ie. single user license, 
or whatever they call it) for >2 people was enough.

Roman

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[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo in the workplace

[Alexander Skwar]

Ken <ken69267@gmail.com> wrote:

> IE will never work in wine. 

That's total crap. Every version of IE (even IE 7 to some extent)
works with wine. ies4linux is a fine example, showing that you're
totally wrong.

> I don't believe the devs plan to support it
> either.

Even more crap.

Alexander Skwar

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[gentoo-user] RE: Gentoo in the workplace

[Alexander Skwar]

Sartorelli, Jason <Jason.Sartorelli@openpolytechnic.ac.nz> wrote:

> Thanks Ken,
> So what do other people do when they need to use ActiveX?

Use Windows.

> Is there any work arounds etc?

Nope.


Alexander Skwar

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo in the workplace

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 14 June 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Ken <ken69267@gmail.com> wrote:
> > IE will never work in wine.
>
> That's total crap. Every version of IE (even IE 7 to some extent)
> works with wine. ies4linux is a fine example, showing that you're
> totally wrong.

Agreed. It's more correct to say that projects like ies4linux and 
winetricks will get IE working correctly, but to do it they heavily 
rely on native windows dlls. This is fine for the user to get stuff 
working, but the wine devs would rather folk didn't, as the wine code 
then doesn't get used/tested/fixed.

alan


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo in the workplace

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 14 June 2007, Sartorelli, Jason wrote:
> Hi there,
> This is possibly already answered elsewhere, however I've trolled
> through google to no avail. I've upgraded my work machine from a
> Windows 2000 machine to Gentoo (running on a Dell GX520) with VMware
> running XP, Vista, 2000.
>
> Most things run fine, but unfortunately I've had a few problems with
> things such as Active X pages (i.e. Cisco Call Manager, Infra, etc).
>
> I've tried using wine (version 0.9.29) and installing IE however I
> couldn't find the full installer and we use a proxy here (the
> installer craps out when trying to set it up within the installer) So
> I installed ieslinux and tried that - it seems to work and lets me
> load some pages however they don't all load correctly... infect the
> majority don't... So I unmasked wine with the x86 keyword and tried
> both options again with the same results for the first option and
> ieslinux getting to the same place and stopping (but with text
> visibility bugs) and so I've now reverted back to wine 0.9.29 and am
> officially stuck. Firefox doesn't seem to support Active X at all,
> however there was a plugin for v1.5 which I tried and didn't have any
> luck with.

0.9.29 is 9 months old now, you want something more recent
0.9.38 is the most recent but it has font problems, so unmask wine, but 
do mask out the specific version 0.9.38
To get IE working and be installable, use ies4linux
To get lots of other stuff working, use winetricks by Dan Kegel (google 
will find the script for you)

Warning: if you use either of these hack solutions, don't ask for 
support on the wine lists. You'll probably get better help here

alan


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