On Friday 08 June 2007, "Hemmann, Volker Armin" 
<volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] 
Again: Critical bugs considered invalid':
> On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, b.n. wrote:
> > Kent Fredric ha scritto:
> > > On 6/8/07, b.n. <brullonulla@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > ( probably releated to it being a
> > > generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough*
> > > unlinspired *cough*  or *cough* deadrat *cough* )
> >
> > OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu, expecially) are really, really shiny and
> > slick pieces of software. I just installed Kubuntu 7.04 at work and
> > it's the more polished, ready-to-go, easy to use Linux distro I've
> > ever seen. I use Gentoo on my home desktop for various reasons and
> > because I have different needs, but the Linux community has only to
> > learn from the Ubuntus.
>
> what to learn? How to make kcontrol worse?

I think many find ksystemsettings to be better a better interface than 
kcontrol.  I don't, so I just use kcontrol.  It is a little stupid that 
they don't install the desktop icon for it, but it's trivial to fix.

> The slowest boot of all 
> times?

My Gentoo boots more slowly, but that's probably related to the large delay 
mounting a 3TiB reiserfs.  Ubuntu can also be very quick to boot *if* all 
files read on startup fit into system ram throughout the startup sequence, 
on my laptop this isn't the case, so my booting is somewhat delayed.

> A braindead installer?

How exactly is it braindead?  I've used it multiple times and while it's 
error handling could be better, it's allowed me to do all the setup I need 
before the install starts and generally gets me run-and-running much 
faster and Gentoo.

> A patched-to-death kpdf?  

Yeah, ubuntu patches KDE left and right and it's a bit annoying, especially 
when they reduce usability for no good reason.  E.g. the search toolbar 
forces the cursor to the end of it's contents from time to time, and 
doesn't properly submit searches with parenthesis in them -- both issues 
make the search bar on Gentoo much better.

> Yes, there is something to learn from the ubuntus. Like: don't make
> their mistakes.

Their "mistakes" made them the most popular linux distribution in a 
incredibly small amount of time.  Their "mistakes" continue to drive user 
and developers toward the project in flocks.  Their "mistakes" lead to 
Dell shipping home systems with Ubuntu pre-installed.

I love Gentoo.  I love Debian.  I still think Ubuntu does some things 
better and some things worse.  On my laptop, I'd prefer not to configure 
anything -- and Ubuntu provides a usable system with no hassles.  Servers 
@ work -- Debian.  Desktop @ home -- Gentoo.  I don't think I'd change any 
of them.

> Or: there is a difference between userfriendly and made 
> for idiots.

Ubuntu being neither. ;)

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